Kaisers staffwagon 2! (2 Viewers)

Rob

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Guys I feel bad as it was my post that TOTALLY unintentionally led to previous thread that you were all enjoying being locked down, so have started another here and I promise I won't be goaded into anymore arguments.

Let the discussion recommence!

Rob
 
Not aimed at anyone specific but, what another waste of time when trying to ascertain the reality of a vehicle that it ends in a shut down. This is more important than my makers better than yours!!!

Completely stupid IMO
Mitch
 
Hi Gents,

There was a good deal of jackassery going on in the last thread so lets try not to rehash that and perhaps have a civil and adult discussion on the merits and exsistance or not of the set in question.

Dave
 
I don't believe it was your fault Rob but on the other hand I don't know if anything is served by having a second thread. Maybe we should just let it ride at this point.
 
I don't believe it was your fault Rob but on the other hand I don't know if anything is served by having a second thread. Maybe we should just let it ride at this point.

Well I feel guilty Brad that I was involved in the closing of the thread that was both legitimate and enjoyable to several members, even though I had no intention of doing this .

I do hope the members who were enjoying the thread may restart it here, if they do I give you my word I will in no way be involved in any arguments on this thread.

Actually when you see it next to the Kaisers staff car you realise its quite a size isn't it?!

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Rob
 
It does look huge, and something I would really like to have in my collection whether it really existed or not :)
 
Add to your collection what you like, don't add that that you don't. I find the staffwagon an interesting piece and one I will add to my collection if for no other reason than I will enjoy looking at it and thinking about what vignettes ( real or imagined) of figures and accessories I can add around it.

Enjoy your collections...........Yep, thats the ticket

Walt Damon
 
Rob, we all played in a part in a way so don't take this onto yourself. My regret is that our links of friendship have been weakened :(

I agree with Doughboy: great looking whether it existed or not :)
 
Add to your collection what you like, don't add that that you don't. I find the staffwagon an interesting piece and one I will add to my collection if for no other reason than I will enjoy looking at it and thinking about what vignettes ( real or imagined) of figures and accessories I can add around it.

Enjoy your collections...........Yep, thats the ticket

Walt Damon

Well said, with the addition of a map table and maps this would be a very nice scene as the Kaiser and his generals plan his next move.

Rob
 
As I said in the first thread, I like the piece but I require that it have existed, and absent any confirmation that it did exist, no purchase. -- Al
 
As others have stated, there seems to be an unsubstantiated historical reference for this vehicle. It does look like the period and proper type of German truck. I did find some photos of same type of truck with a different rear bed setup. Would the Kaiser of Germany actually use this, do not know? I am attaching pics again from other thread. Maybe, Mitch and others can re post theirs, so that folks can at least see the differences and similarities..The first is of British make and the second is German. If you could imagine a wooden cabin instead of the canvas sides, I could see this photo as the a winner. Michael
 

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What seems lost in this is that the Staffwagon is said to be a Mercedes so are the vehicles in the photos above made by Mercedes Michael?
 
Add to your collection what you like, don't add that that you don't. I find the staffwagon an interesting piece and one I will add to my collection if for no other reason than I will enjoy looking at it and thinking about what vignettes ( real or imagined) of figures and accessories I can add around it.

Enjoy your collections...........Yep, thats the ticket

Walt Damon

Agree wholeheartedly. I think it is an interesting and unusual addition. I like it and would consider buying it if I collected WW1 German in any serious way.

I can also see the points about whether it is a 'real' vehicle with any basis in historical fact. But I also recall from my own days in the military that some of the mods we did to the vehicles (here in the West and when I was based with a mainstream unit) could completely alter their appearance from their usual 'issue' form. Things are modified for expediency and photographic or other forms of visual 'documentation' are not always a priority. <b>Plus modifications underwent modification as knowledge and experience grew. </b>Soldiers do what they can to make their lives more comfortable and if they can get away with things they will. No doubt any serving or former soldier the world over will recognise and agree with this.

So, just to completely write a vehicle mod off as being a fantasy, just because somebody has not seen any photos or other 'formal' documentation that shows that <b>specific</b> variant says more about the actual (as opposed to academic) knowledge of the individual, IMO. And a vehicle that looked like 'X' at the start of a year may be completely reconfigured and look like 'y' six months later. Just because no photos turn up of the the former or latter does not mean it was not the case.

This vehicle may well include some assumptions based on what is known of the Kaiser's staff wagons (note the plural... believe there was more than one). So what? Is it feasible? If we are going to split hairs is it any less historically accurate than any of our imaginative dioramas and setups that we create?
 
I mentioned when it came out that a staff conference of WWI commanders would be a fine addition to this set
Mitch
 
Agree wholeheartedly. I think it is an interesting and unusual addition. I like it and would consider buying it if I collected WW1 German in any serious way.

I can also see the points about whether it is a 'real' vehicle with any basis in historical fact. But I also recall from my own days in the military that some of the mods we did to the vehicles (here in the West and when I was based with a mainstream unit) could completely alter their appearance from their usual 'issue' form. Things are modified for expediency and photographic or other forms of visual 'documentation' are not always a priority. <b>Plus modifications underwent modification as knowledge and experience grew. </b>Soldiers do what they can to make their lives more comfortable and if they can get away with things they will. No doubt any serving or former soldier the world over will recognise and agree with this.

So, just to completely write a vehicle mod off as being a fantasy, just because somebody has not seen any photos or other 'formal' documentation that shows that <b>specific</b> variant says more about the actual (as opposed to academic) knowledge of the individual, IMO. And a vehicle that looked like 'X' at the start of a year may be completely reconfigured and look like 'y' six months later. Just because no photos turn up of the the former or latter does not mean it was not the case.

This vehicle may well include some assumptions based on what is known of the Kaiser's staff wagons (note the plural... believe there was more than one). So what? Is it feasible? If we are going to split hairs is it any less historically accurate than any of our imaginative dioramas and setups that we create?

Granted that all that is true, is the following posted by Combat unreasonable:

Rob- I addressed this before. Some collectors may not care whether it existed or not. They buy because they like it. But some do care. If KC advertises it as the real deal, that is misleading to those who would not buy a fantasy piece. No reasonable person can argue that a seller should provide accurate or at least not inaccurate information to those deciding to buy their product. That applies to every manufacturer, but I see it most often with KC. I can't even think of an example where it has occurred with any other major manufacturer. If it did we would have the same discussion.

I don't think so. All people would like to know is where K & C got this from. I don't think that's an unreasonable request. If Andy says I saw it in this book, etc., well then that's the end to the matter
 
still rolling on that one!! Another front runner for quote of the month!! :D:D:D

Is this the plural use of that word in particular? Inquiring minds want to know:p

Yeah, that one was a classic, have to give Dave props for that one.

I'm telling you; find a 110 year old German soldier who fought in WWI and ask him and all of this will be solved.............
 
Yeah, that one was a classic, have to give Dave props for that one.

I'm telling you; find a 110 year old German soldier who fought in WWI and ask him and all of this will be solved.............

I did but he's playing for the Seahawks today!
 
I did but he's playing for the Seahawks today!

that's just wrong :D

it's been kind of weird reading all the "110 year old" posts on these threads- my great grandfather was a WW1 vet- I last saw him in his 90's can't believe it's been 20 years now..............:(
 

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