10th Hussars help? (1 Viewer)

[Mister Dave]

Needing some Napoleonic uniform information from a knowledgable source. I know there are many of you out there too.

Specifically wondering about headgear worn by Priince of Wales own 10th Hussars during the Napoleonic period. Even more specifically when during this period were Shakos worn by the regiment? I assume it was pre-1815, non?

Thanks,
MD

 

[Mister Dave]

Anyone know anything about this subject?

MD

 

[4th Hussar]

Needing some Napoleonic uniform information from a knowledgeable source. I know there are many of you out there too.

Specifically wondering about headgear worn by Prince of Wales own 10th Hussars during the Napoleonic period. Even more specifically when during this period were Shakos worn by the regiment? I assume it was pre-1815, non?

Thanks,
MD

I have a book about the 10th The Prince's Dolls by John Mollo. In most of the pics the 10th is wearing standard Hussar fur hats but a few of the Peninsular Campaign in 1813 show a Shako. If you are interested in this book, let me know.

 

[Mister Dave]

I have a book about the 10th The Prince's Dolls by John Mollo. In most of the pics the 10th is wearing standard Hussar fur hats but a few of the Peninsular Campaign in 1813 show a Shako. If you are interested in this book, let me know.

Thanks 4th Hussar. Having searched around a bit myself it seems a bit unclear sort of just like your book suggests, but the 1813 association is helpful. My guess has been that this was probably a Peninsular phenomenon, but I've never been able to substantiate this. Have seen some good figures wearing both types of headgear, but specifically looking at something on ebay right now where the shako is worn and just trying to put this item in the right context before bidding on it.

Thanks for the tip on the book too BTW. I will add that to my list of future considerations.

Cheers,
MD

 

[trooper]

The shako was used as an undress cap. Several regiments wore them on campaign as they gave better protection against sword cuts than the fur caps. The 10th are noted as wearing a shako in 1809, which was probably black, and a scarlet shako during the Waterloo campaign.

 

[Mister Dave]

The shako was used as an undress cap. Several regiments wore them on campaign as they gave better protection against sword cuts than the fur caps. The 10th are noted as wearing a shako in 1809, which was probably black, and a scarlet shako during the Waterloo campaign.

Excellent, and thanks for the additional information. This is the item in question, and has sort of a brownish top with yellow cords and insignia. What else could you tell me about undress uniforms for this regiment during the Waterloo campaign please? I have attached a photo of something that has caught my eye recently for comment. Thanks again.

MD

 

[Spitfrnd]

You could investigate this book as well:
http://www.amazon.co.uk/Memoirs-Ten...=2025&creative=165953&creativeASIN=184574103X
Interestingly, the cover shows them in the field with black shakos.
Here's another potential resource:
https://www.alibris.co.uk/search/books/isbn/9780850520149

Here is another interesting discussion of the topic, also suggesting Shakos in combat:
http://theminiaturespage.com/boards/msg.mv?id=140683

In one of my books, the Waterloo Companion, they are described as wearing scarlet shakos at Waterloo.

 

[glossman]

Needing some Napoleonic uniform information from a knowledgable source. I know there are many of you out there too.

Specifically wondering about headgear worn by Priince of Wales own 10th Hussars during the Napoleonic period. Even more specifically when during this period were Shakos worn by the regiment? I assume it was pre-1815, non?

Thanks,
MD

Dear Mister Dave,

Perhaps this link may be of some help re: head dress.

http://www.flickr.com/photos/sunnybrook100/3354112855/

This is another more general link.

http://website.lineone.net/~royal.hussar/10hnapoleonic.htm

Best Regards, Raymond.

 

[Mister Dave]

You could investigate this book as well:
http://www.amazon.co.uk/Memoirs-Ten...=2025&creative=165953&creativeASIN=184574103X
Interestingly, the cover shows them in the field with black shakos.
Here's another potential resource:
https://www.alibris.co.uk/search/books/isbn/9780850520149

Here is another interesting discussion of the topic, also suggesting Shakos in combat:
http://theminiaturespage.com/boards/msg.mv?id=140683

In one of my books, the Waterloo Companion, they are described as wearing scarlet shakos at Waterloo.

Thanks Bill and Raymond for your input. I found the miniatures page link particularly helpful and need to find the Waterloo Companion entries you've mentioned. Can you help me out with page numbers? I tend to carry this book around the house with me a lot.....family think I'm nuts.

Thanks again guys,
MD

 

[Spitfrnd]

Thanks Bill and Raymond for your input. I found the miniatures page link particularly helpful and need to find the Waterloo Companion entries you've mentioned. Can you help me out with page numbers? I tend to carry this book around the house with me a lot.....family think I'm nuts.
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Yes I get that too. It is on page 222 in my copy, in the section on Anglo-Allied Cavalry at the beginning of the subsection entitled "10th Hussars":
"These light cavalrymen were easily recognizable by their large, bell-topped scarlet shakos."

 

[Mister Dave]

Yes I get that too. It is on page 222 in my copy, in the section on Anglo-Allied Cavalry at the beginning of the subsection entitled "10th Hussars":
"These light cavalrymen were easily recognizable by their large, bell-topped scarlet shakos."

Thanks again, Bill. I'll have a look.

 

[blaster]

From the book "The thin red Line"by D and B Fosten,
"three hussar regts had worn shakos in the Peninsula, but the 7th and 15th discarded theiroutworn dk blue and scarlet shakos in fvr of fur caps for the waterloo campaign. ... The 10th wore scarlet covered shakos. Dighton indicated asilver or white braid band around the upper edge, and the officers had an additional row of gold interlocking rings..."

Rgds Victor

 

[blaster]

In the book""Cavalry Uniforms"by R & C Wilkinson-Latham,

".... it is interesting to note that shakos were introduced for some Hussar regts in 1812, but busbies continued to be worn at Waterloo because of the delay in supplies arriving from Britain".

Rgds Victor

 

[Mister Dave]

Hello Victor, and thanks very much for chiming in on my request for information. Tracking down these sorts of details tends to be surprisingly challenging I've found. As I plan for future vignettes I like to do enough research to get the details farily well squared away. Thanks again for your help.

Cheers,
MD

 

[Spitfrnd]

So far, I would go with the Thin Red Line and Companion references.

 

[blaster]

Hello MD,

A pleasure to also go thru my sources including Haythorntwaite's Uniforms at Waterloo, Pericoli's 1815 The armies at Waterloo, Fletcher's Wellington's Army, Fosten Wellington's Light Cavalry and all refer directly or indirectly to two primary sources on the shakos - Denis Dighton's paintings which showed the 10th with red shakos and hair queues and Commisary Schaumann's memoirs, the latter of which I have a copy.

Schaumann on 18 May 1813 mentions a parade of newly arrived Hussars and makes two specific references to red shakos in the 10th regt:
"....Moreover, the 10th regt wore scarlet shakos...adjutant to the 10th Hussars..and he also wore a red shako".

Thus, no black shakos. Prior to this date, the 10th wore brown busbies, with officers wearing grey busbies.

Rgds Victor