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"A date that will live in infamy" -FDR

Though this speech was given on 8 December 1941 in Congress, it was a speech that itself lives in infamy. Respect to those who served perished that day.

John from Texas
 
I have to admit that I don't understand it either: "it was a speech that itself lives in infamy."

Shades of Jeanette Rankin {eek3}
 
Jazz and Damian,

Let me S-P-E-L-L it out for you. One helluva speech given by FDR that day and it is a speech that is famous or infamous depending how you look at it. I'm sure it was extremely difficult to deliver on that terrible day, but somebody had to do it and FDR gave a speech that changed world history! HELLO we had just been attacked by the Japanese on 7 December 1941! Hence "A Date that will live in infamy" was one of his most memorable quotes from that speech. Y'all two want to pick apart my use of words like part-time English profs at a Junior College go ahead, but all I was trying to do was remember the date. Ummm, that is why this is the Historical discussion thread...

You don't follow the post Damian? Look at the date homeboy, does anything ring a bell or no? Remember that date? Hmmm? Jazz you are way to intelligent of a of a man in a barrister suit not understand the prose. Again, RESPECT to those who perished that day! Jimney Christmas man, respect the date and a "like" on the post would have sufficed. So, "if you don't have nothing nice to say, then don't say anything at all". Oh and by the way Damian it's "don't" not "don,t" and Jazz there should have been a "?" at the end my quoted words since you are questioning the use of words. If your really hard up for the proper use of grammar, go check the latest edition of MLA and get back with me. I'll be sure to "wait with bated breath and whispering humbleness".

C'mon now,

John from Texas

PS: Shades of Nurse Ratchet
 
Hey I am not an American but I have always thought that speech is regarded as one of the great ones of world history, which spoke to the greatest democracy of the world and rallied it and sent it off to help the rest of us out of quite a jam. So I for one am glad he made it and grateful for what happened next. You said the speech was infamous or that is how your post came across. So I was just curious.

Respect to those who served perished that day.
Maybe an "and" between served/ perished would resolve my confusion.
Oh well I am going to go off and mark some high school comprehensions.
Remember no split infinitives.
 
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The day is infamous, the speech is not. When you write something, as the writer, it is your responsibility, not the reader's, to express your points clearly.

Had I been asking a question, I would have added a question mark at the end of the sentence. However, it was not a question but a declarative statement. Since you're quoting the MLA, at the end of your last full paragraph, the quotation marks should come after the period, not before.
 
Damian,

Yes, the ole split infinitive. Since we are on the subject of grammar, I will critique it my self. Its a FRAGMENT or basically an incomplete sentence. Since we write from our minds, 9 times out 10 what comes out of our minds is how we put it down on paper or the forum in this case. Likewise, in this venue I am sure none of us are writing for a grade or expecting to be critiqued with a red marker. Therefore, our thoughts are written down from our own colloquial corner of the world with out any regard to the self concious or formality.

The statement "Respect to those who served." on paper breaks all the rules of proper grammatical writing and is incorrect on paper. However, in a conversation if one where to make that statement to another, the likelihood of that other person understanding what the speaker intends to say is high. Hence, we subconsciously write how we speak with all the colloquialisms, slang and dialects that are apart of our cultural background. I personally have a difficult time reading emails from my daughters soccer coach as he is from England and has a thick cockney accent. He too writes how he speaks and instead of correcting his "english" I read his email's a couple of times to make sure "I get" what he saying. The funny thing is that when I call him a "wanker" he erupts in laughter because he is not used to Americans spouting out English slang reserved for wankers.

But, I still "got nothin but love for ya" Damian, so there...

John from Texas...y'all!
 
jazzeum said:
The day is infamous, the speech is not. When you write something, as the writer, it is your responsibility, not the reader's, to express your points clearly.

Had I been asking a question, I would have added a question mark at the end of the sentence. However, it was not a question but a declarative statement. Since you're quoting the MLA, at the end of your last full paragraph, the quotation marks should come after the period, not before.
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Jazz,

It is too early in the morning to be so pugilistic. Go split hairs somewhere else, man.

Later,

John from Texas
 
hotel3alpha said:
Jazz,

It is too early in the morning to be so pugilistic. Go split hairs somewhere else, man.

Later,

John from Texas
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Sorry, John, but Brad's not splitting hairs. You stated plainly, "... it was a speech that itself lives in infamy..." I must admit, I don't understand what you mean by that, either. How was FDR's speech infamous? I've heard it described as grave, dignified, moving, but never as infamous.

I also don't find the tone of his post to be pugilistic, that is, he's not looking for a fight. He asked a question, in a most civil tone. If anyone sounds like he's looking for a fight, it's you, judging from the tone of your responses.

Prost!
Brad
 
hotel3alpha said:
Damian,

Yes, the ole split infinitive. Since we are on the subject of grammar, I will critique it my self. Its a FRAGMENT or basically an incomplete sentence. Since we write from our minds, 9 times out 10 what comes out of our minds is how we put it down on paper or the forum in this case. Likewise, in this venue I am sure none of us are writing for a grade or expecting to be critiqued with a red marker. Therefore, our thoughts are written down from our own colloquial corner of the world with out any regard to the self concious or formality.

The statement "Respect to those who served." on paper breaks all the rules of proper grammatical writing and is incorrect on paper. However, in a conversation if one where to make that statement to another, the likelihood of that other person understanding what the speaker intends to say is high. Hence, we subconsciously write how we speak with all the colloquialisms, slang and dialects that are apart of our cultural background. I personally have a difficult time reading emails from my daughters soccer coach as he is from England and has a thick cockney accent. He too writes how he speaks and instead of correcting his "english" I read his email's a couple of times to make sure "I get" what he saying. The funny thing is that when I call him a "wanker" he erupts in laughter because he is not used to Americans spouting out English slang reserved for wankers.

But, I still "got nothin but love for ya" Damian, so there...

John from Texas...y'all!
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I feel the love John
Sounds like a bit of a misunderstanding
When I was at high school they never offered typing either.
Who would have though a few decades later and they are about to can handwriting and teach the youngsters everything on a keyboard.
Will come and visit Texas one day and pay my respects at the Alamo.
Keep well
 
Originally posted on Forum Thread "This Day in History" on 7 December 2014 (73rd Anniversary) this note was totally buried and forgotten. "7 December 1941. Having researched the planning for the attack, thought that members of the forum might be interested in the following perspective which a majority are probably not aware of; http://arnhemjim.blogspot.com/p/military-strategy.html."
Arnhem Jim
Arizona Territory
 
Arnhemjim said:
Originally posted on Forum Thread "This Day in History" on 7 December 2014 (73rd Anniversary) this note was totally buried and forgotten. "7 December 1941. Having researched the planning for the attack, thought that members of the forum might be interested in the following perspective which a majority are probably not aware of; http://arnhemjim.blogspot.com/p/military-strategy.html."
Arnhem Jim
Arizona Territory
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Thanks
I enjoy your blogs immensely
 
Hey Big John, Good of you to submit this Thread..........Honoring our service members who lost their lives on that Historical day !
As far as 7 Dec 1941........It was a day that will live in infamy. If one labeled FDR's speech using the same words....so be it.
No Biggie................I know what you mean..............Cheers !

Wayne
 
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