A change of cammo (1 Viewer)

[redhugh]

Not sure how accurate this colour scheme is ..if at all.. but saw it on an 88mm Gun for Kharkov made by minichamps and again on a picture from a museum of a panther ...but I kinda liked it so .. Somewhere on the russian steppes...

 

[Simpson & his donkey.]

Not sure how accurate this colour scheme is ..if at all.. but saw it on an 88mm Gun for Kharkov made by minichamps and again on a picture from a museum of a panther ...but I kinda liked it so .. Somewhere on the russian steppes...

Mate is that the limited edition that you have painted there.I have thought of doing some but haven't got there yet.I have a FOV panther that has brown & yellow stripes like the ones you show here.Keep up the good work RED and did you paint them by hand or use a airbrush.Simmo.

 

[redhugh]

Mate is that the limited edition that you have painted there.I have thought of doing some but haven't got there yet.I have a FOV panther that has brown & yellow stripes like the ones you show here.Keep up the good work RED and did you paint them by hand or use a airbrush.Simmo.

Hi Simmo used a Tamiya spray can ...haven't tried an airbrush yet

 

[Simpson & his donkey.]

Hi Simmo used a Tamiya spray can ...haven't tried an airbrush yet

Gee if you used a spray can the money I spend on a airbrush went to waste.Simmo.

 

[Rob]

Nice work with the spray can mate,unusual pattern and very nice.

Rob

 

[redhugh]

Nice work with the spray can mate,unusual pattern and very nice.

Rob

Always thought the minichamps colour scheme was nice and fmethorst posted a pic of a stug with a similar type cammo, so thought I'd give a go rather than the grey which I originally thought I was going to do... Minichamps blurb for their vechicles places the cammo as HEERES FLAK-ARTILLERIE ABTEILUNG ( MOT ) 314 . CHARKOW, RUSSIA . APRIL 1943

 

[debrito]

Nice work with the spray can mate,unusual pattern and very nice.

Rob

yes very unusual, I never seen before... Interesting.

BTW Red, nice skills with the can.

Rod.

 

[Blowtorch]

The 88/12t self propelled from what I can tell, was made in small numbers (about a dozen or two) prior to the France '40 campaign. So they would have been grey up to the end of '42, then could have been repainted anything in the coming several years. So I think it's a real nice scheme for the combo. Very nice.

I was wondering why the 88/12t was rejected for mass production in 1940. Anybody know? Stability issue maybe?

 

[amhuff1]

I would be so afraid to repaint one of my K&C vehicles......

 

[redhugh]

I would be so afraid to repaint one of my K&C vehicles......

The track was a bit chipped on the SL so decided to paint it have another of those safe from the spray can, as regards the other pieces I made a decision to avoid the desert for space reasons and concentrate on the european/russian theatre and the pacific. The desert pieces I used are relatively cheap compared to the newer stuff and with the weakness of the australian dollar (used to be nearly 1:1 now 1:1.5) I'm improvising

 

[Tiger Tank]

Nice job...

 

[fmethorst]

Always thought the minichamps colour scheme was nice and fmethorst posted a pic of a stug with a similar type cammo, so thought I'd give a go rather than the grey which I originally thought I was going to do... Minichamps blurb for their vechicles places the cammo as HEERES FLAK-ARTILLERIE ABTEILUNG ( MOT ) 314 . CHARKOW, RUSSIA . APRIL 1943

The lighting on the StuG is not very good but it looks like the standard three color scheme to me (Dunkelgelb, Schokoladenbraun, Olivgrun).

I think your paint scheme is very attractive. Tan was definitely used over top of the original Panzer Grey in those environments where the dark color was not appropriate. (i.e. North Africa).

Here are a variety of paint schemes from 1937-1945. Take a close look at figure 1. Before German tanks sported an overall grey scheme they had a two tone dark grey and dark brown scheme (2/3 grey, 1/3 brown). The colors have so little contrast that one wonders why they bothered. Clearly they felt this way too and switched to dark grey overall. The grey used was actually a very dark color, however, it quickly faded and once some dust was added could look considerably lighter.

 

[fmethorst]

The 88/12t self propelled from what I can tell, was made in small numbers (about a dozen or two) prior to the France '40 campaign. So they would have been grey up to the end of '42, then could have been repainted anything in the coming several years. So I think it's a real nice scheme for the combo. Very nice.

I was wondering why the 88/12t was rejected for mass production in 1940. Anybody know? Stability issue maybe?

The latest picture I have of the vehicle is July 1941 in the USSR although I do have a color plate with a whitewash over grey scheme from December 1941 also in the USSR.

I don't know the official reason but one can surmise it was due to it's enormous size and poor crew protection. The Flak 18, 36, 37 was far from an ideal anti-tank gun. On the positve side it was accurate and potent but on the negative side it sits far too tall and it's cruciform mount reduces it's mobility considerably. I realize that mounting it on the halftrack deals with the mobility issue but it contributes even further to the size problem. Compare one of these Flak guns to a purpose built Pak such as the Pak 40. Pak guns are mounted very low so they can be concealed and present a very small target to the enemy.

Later on when self propelled AT guns replaced towed guns a lot of effort was made to keep them as low as possible. Think of the Jagdpanzer IV-70(v) or Hetzer.

 

[redhugh]

Found a few more pics

 

[redhugh]

and a few more...

 

[redhugh]

and a few direct hits!

 

[Blowtorch]

Nice collection of pics. Would love to drive to work in one of those.

Still, I'm wondering if stability was an issue, because at the time, it had such a range advantage over it's adversaries I don't think return fire would have been much of a problem. It could toast a good half dozen tanks & skoot before the other side could even get a chance to shoot.

I guess my analogy is comparing it to the standard towed piece when fired still mounted on it's wheeled carriage. Wasn't that frowned upon because you sacrificed accuracy at long range? Or was it another reason?