Alamo defenders (1 Viewer)

[eborris]

Not sure if anyone is interested or not, but Plastic Underground is offering five painted Alamo defenders on his web site.

http://www.plasticunderground.net/

 

[Scott]

Neat! But what are these supposed to be? A Zouave in skirt? Male Cantiniere?

 

[eborris]

Don't know Zouaves aren't my thing and I didn't make them.

 

[bromhead]

Kilt or not,nicely done

 

[eborris]

I agree, he looks good to me, but I don't know the official uniform of the Zouaves and I really don't care anyway. If I was into the Civil War and I liked the way he looked I'd buy him anyway, personally why anyone would to dress like that in the first place is beyond me.

 

[Scott]

Hey, I looked around at the man's other work and saw the Zouave with a skirt. I've seen a lot of Zouave images and the only skirted ones were women. No offense ment


French Franco-Prussian war era Zouaves with cantiniere.

A German made "flat" of a Zouave Cantiniere I painted.

 

[eborris]

None taken, but I happened to know he sculpted that figure based on the Don Troani picture, looks like the ones shown on the Conte site to me.

 

[Scott]

I just looked at the Conte Zouaves.....no blue "skirts" that I can see. I've seen Troiani's works too. Nothing like this!

I had a customer make me correct all the musket metal colors on a British Rev-War soldier once. "Stuff" happens.

 

[theBaron]

...why anyone would to dress like that in the first place is beyond me...

From the Napoleonic Wars up until the fall of Sedan, the French set military fashions, because they were perceived as the most effective fighting force (waiting for the storm of shrapnel to fall on my head). So, we copied them, the South American states copied them, from shakos and coatees in the 1810s and 1820s, up through the ACW, with our uniforms of frock or short coats and kepis. And some units adopted the uniforms of the north African Zouave and Turcos units that served with the French.

In 1871 with the French defeat at the hands of the Germans, all bets were off. Now every army introduced variations of the Pickelhaube and Waffenrock, until the conditions of the colonial wars, and rapid advances in weapons technology, made practical uniforms in drab colors more desirable. So we get our campaign shirt and hat (with the Montana pinch), and khaki and bush hats, and eventually Feldgrau in the Imperial German army.

Prost!
Brad

 

[thebritfarmer]

From the Napoleonic Wars up until the fall of Sedan, the French set military fashions, because they were perceived as the most effective fighting force (waiting for the storm of shrapnel to fall on my head). So, we copied them, the South American states copied them, from shakos and coatees in the 1810s and 1820s, up through the ACW, with our uniforms of frock or short coats and kepis. And some units adopted the uniforms of the north African Zouave and Turcos units that served with the French.

In 1871 with the French defeat at the hands of the Germans, all bets were off. Now every army introduced variations of the Pickelhaube and Waffenrock, until the conditions of the colonial wars, and rapid advances in weapons technology, made practical uniforms in drab colors more desirable. So we get our campaign shirt and hat (with the Montana pinch), and khaki and bush hats, and eventually Feldgrau in the Imperial German army.

Prost!
Brad

Also I think to add to this when you join a regiment you don't get a say in what you get to wear, it's wear it or bugger off !!

And I have to also say that IMO a regiment all decked our in their kilts, sporrans etc is a great site.

 

[Wraith]

And I have to also say that IMO a regiment all decked our in their kilts, sporrans etc is a great site.

As long as they don't lean over....

 

[thebritfarmer]

As long as they don't lean over....

LOL

Indeed

 

[eborris]

I'd ask for a transfer.

Other then the stripes around the bottom they look the same to me

 

[theBaron]

Ah, but I don't think that is a kilt or skirt, I think those are baggy trousers. They definitely have legs, or were gathered in such a way as to cover each leg separately.

The figure shown in the earlier post definitely wears a skirt, like a kilt, if you will, or more precisely, like native costume of northern Greece and the southern Balkans.

Prost!
Brad

 

[Scott]

The figure I pointed out has a blue skirt over red zouave trousers. He's supposed to be an American Civil War Zouave. Not a "Federal Case", just an observation.

 

[eborris]

As in let's not make a federal case out of it? Sly.

 

[bromhead]

Hey, I looked around at the man's other work and saw the Zouave with a skirt. I've seen a lot of Zouave images and the only skirted ones were women. No offense ment


French Franco-Prussian war era Zouaves with cantiniere.

A German made "flat" of a Zouave Cantiniere I painted.
http://i166.photobucket.com/albums/u100/sbl1952

/Cantinieres/FlatZouave1.jpg

I have always only seen the baggy pants look

 

[eborris]

So, did anyone actually look at the defenders or did we get sidetracked again?

 

[Scott]

Yes I did. Then I looked at the other figures.

The Alamo figures look like a lot of other maker's figures on the same subject. I'd question the colors of the outfit on the Top-hatted feller.

It's winter in 1836 Texas. An outfit that colorful is a stretch.