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mikemiller1955

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I noticed the rope tied around the sashes that hang from the artillery crews on this new set...

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I was curious what it was for and just found this article...

I did not know this...

the article speaking of French innovations in cannon design...

"Another innovation was the prolong. It was a heavy rope 30 feet long and used to connect the gun and its limber when it was necessary to fire while retiring or to unlimber the gun while crossing some difficult obstacle."

I did not know this...:eek:
 
Prolonge \Pro*longe"\, n. [F. See Prolong.]

(Field Artillery) A rope with a hook and a toggle, sometimes used to drag a gun carriage or to lash it to the limber, and for various other purposes. [1913 Webster]

The French used a prolonge - a piece of rope that tied an unhitched gun to the limber. This, we are assured, gave the French an advantage moving over rough ground. Why a gun careening behind the limber, catching every rock or sapling the limber avoided, or crashing into a braking team, would be an advantage seemed entirely counter-intuitive to me. So I was much relieved when another author pointed out that the short trail of the French guns tended to make them unbalanced and caused the muzzle to catch on the ground when hitched, unless the onerous process of prying the gun from one mount point to another was undertaken. The prolonge wasn't a feature, it was a bug.

Prolonge A heavy rope, 26'7" long, with an iron ring at one end and a toggle at the other, used for towing. When not in use, it was wound around two prolonge hooks on the top of the trail.
 
Then again...hahahaha...

this may be a Trunnion Loop...

The Trunnion-loop, Fig. 148, is a piece of a rope about 18 in. long, having its two ends firmly spliced together, forming thus a ring which is placed over the trunnion, serving as a means of applying a handspike to slue the piece in different directions.

Does anybody know for sure before I ask John? :confused:
 

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In a cannon, the trunnions are the two projections on the side of the barrel which mount the barrel in the carriage. As they allowed the muzzle to be raised and lowered easily, and made it easier to fix it to a movable carriage, the integral casting of trunnions is seen by military historians as one of the most important advances in early field artillery
 

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Hello Mike. I couldn't find the gun on the Jenkins site. What size barrel is it? There was a 6 pd field gun mounted with 3 carriage guns in a fort at the end of my old street in 1814. Just curious.
 
Free education! This forum is great. I learn more on this forum just from reading about toy soldiers. Thanks for the info about the ropes. I had wondered. -- Al
 
John says...

The leather shoulder belts are called “Bricoles”.

These had “drag-ropes” attached which were used to move the guns.

The Drag ropes had hooks on the end that were attached to the sides of the axles and sides of the carriage.

At Chippawa, the artillery were ordered to re-direct their fire into the flanks of the British line.
 
Michael,

Can you tell me the cannonball size of the barrel?
 
Thanks for the article, Michael!

I think the French are claiming credit for something they may not have invented, though. Similar lines had been in use going back to before the Seven Years War, for the artillerists and soldiers detailed to assist them, to manhandle field pieces into position, after they had unlimbered. The Germans called them Avancierriemen, "advancing straps". Usually they attached them to hardware on the wheel hubs, one or more man to each line, and another pair of men ran a iron rod through a loop on the trail, to lift it, and then off they went. In the Prussian army, a crew was reckoned a good one if it could keep about 50 paces ahead of advancing infantry and fire off two rounds between advancing.

Prost!
Brad
 
This article sure boasts of the French artillery excelling...

http://napoleonistyka.atspace.com/artillery_Napoleon.html#_French_artillery_1800-1815

"The French artillery has always ranked very high. Almost all improvements made in gunnery, during the last three or four centuries, have originated with the French. The theoretical branch of artillery has also been constantly a favorite science with the French; their mathematical turn of mind favors this; and the precision of language, the scientific method, the soundness of views, which characterize their artilleristic literature, show how much this branch of science is adapted to the national genius." ("The Armies of Europe" in Putnam's Monthly, No. XXXII, published in 1855)

Napoleon expected excellence and competence from his gunners and he got it. The French artillery became superior to every artillery of Europe. The artillery enjoyed an unprecedented popularity among young men in France seeking career in the army. The infantrymen and cavalrymen complained that the gunners gave themselves airs because their First Consul and then Emperor himself had been a gunner.
 
From the color, the JD's American 8-pounder is 1812 cannon is bronze cannon. At this time in history, more and more cannon were being made in iron, but bronze cannon would still be common. I think, most American cannon used in the War of 1812 would have been iron. Then in the 1830's or 1840's, bronze barrels again became the standard.

Perfect for the F&IW!!! Definitely, getting a pair!!!
 
Ken...brass is definitely both acceptable and correct in 1812 for the British side...

The artillery establishment of the British Army in North America was based on the standard establishment of the field army used in Spain during the Peninsular campaign. Normal British Army issue to the artillery was based on the brass 6 pounder and brass 9 pounders and 12 pounders, as well as the brass 5.5Ó howitzer. The howitzer and 6 pounders used the same gun carriage, indicating a commonalty of interchangeable parts similar to the French system adapted by the American artillery.

http://war1812.tripod.com/bartillery.html

Prior to the reorganization of the American Artillery Corps in 1808, most of the guns used were either of contemporary French manufacture or were guns left over from the earlier War for Independence. the only standardization that existed was the adaptation of the French Graubeval system of standardized gun carriages. This was a double trail system that came in two sizes, one for guns of 6 pdr size and smaller, and one that mounted anything larger than a 6pdr.

In 1808, The United States Army decided to standardize the guns themselves. The result was three specific types - 6 pdr iron guns, 12 pdr iron guns, and 6 inch brass howitzers. The choice of sizes and materials used was both rational and simple. Copper and tin, both necessary to manufacture brass cannon barrels, were not in great supply - the great copper mines of the Northwest Territory (Minnesota and Wisconsin) had yet to be developed. Tin, as a natural resource, was also very scarce. The Army was quick to realize that cannons used by the United States would have to be made in the United States, or the Army would be dependent on European sources - many of them from potential adversaries, such as England - to fulfill their needs for sufficient artillery. This was an intolerable situation.

Secondly, the iron cannon foundries in Philadelphia had just developed manufacturing techniques that would result in stronger, lighter, iron cannon barrels than had been possible before, and manufactured in a fraction of the time that was needed previously. This technique basically consisted of casting the cannon in a multi-part mold, in which the bore would be cast rather than drilled later. Also, water-cooled piped ran through the bore portion of the mold, case-hardening the inner surface of the cannon, as well as the more standard case hardening of the outer surfaces. This resulted in an iron cannon barrel that was stronger than anything previously made, and, because of the strength value of the iron, could be made with thinner walls - resulting in a much lighter gun. This meant great mobility, as well as the ability to move the gun over surfaces that had previously been denied due to weight considerations. The choice of calibers was also simple. The lighter 6 pounders made good mobile guns that were usable on the battalion and brigade level, as well as being within the necessary parameters of the requirements of the horse artillery; the large 12 pounders had proved their worth on the fields of Europe, and were the mainstay of the French Army artillery establishment. Both guns were light enough to be used in mobile field operations, and the 12 pounder had the additional advantage of greatly outranging British guns on an equivalent issue level. Also, both guns were light enough in their throw weight that they were easy to reload quickly, thus capable of sustaining a high rate of fire.

This was fit in perfectly with the Artillery CorpsÕ developing doctrine of tactical and strategic use of guns during field operations. The acquisition of howitzers was another matter, entirely. The Artillery Corps had come to appreciate their usefulness in a fluid, tactical situation, but simply had not sufficient experience to modify the brass howitzers for manufacture in iron. On the other hand, it was envisioned that they only needed one howitzer per battery, so the acquisition requirements were much lower that for the guns. Noting that the French howitzers worked quite well (and would easily mount on the same carriage as the 6 pounder), it was decided to acquire these weapons through import.

http://war1812.tripod.com/artillery.html

Seems for the most part...other than the Howitzer...the US Army used iron cannons...but that is not to say that this is incorrect for the US Army for 1812...

A reasonable attempt was made to paint all gun carriages a uniform color, in the fashion of European armies, and a deep sky blue, very similar to that used by the Prussian army, was eventually chosen. In addition, all iron work was painted black to prevent rusting and flaking, and the hubs of all wheels were painted red. This color scheme, however, was by no means universal. Some brass guns, purchased from France, retained their French medium olive green carriage colors, and some guns that were attached to General Wade HamptonÕs army were painted red as the only available color at the time.

Guns captured from the English and pressed into service often retained their original gray carriage color for some time, even when on active service.
 
Just in my neighborhood it was either the state or Federal govt. that supplied 3 Brass 6-pound field guns for the defense of Cape Ann in 1814. The British spiked one of them.
 
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I used the 6 pound British cannon (BAGUN-01) instead of the new 8 pound US cannon (USCHGUN-01)...

the barrel lines up perfect with the loading crews hands and ramrods...

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