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Beaufighter

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Forum Squadron Members: I meant to post this last week but my schedule & too many time zones prevented me from doing so. Here she goes though...

There was a military reunion last Friday at Lackland AFB in San Antonio. But it was anything but your typical gathering of veterans and their family members. In fact, the reunion may be the last of its kind, since it brought together the last surviving members of the American Volunteer Group (AVG), the famed "Flying Tigers" who fought in China during the early days of World War II.

Only eight members of the unit made it to the San Antonio event--roughly half of the 19 Flying Tigers who still survive. Time has already claimed most of the group's most famous members, including double ace David "Tex" Hill, who passed away in 2007, and Richard "Dick" Rossi, who died last month at the age of 92. Mr. Rossi, who was credited with six aerial victories in World War II, did much to preserve the heritage of his unit, serving as President of the Flying Tigers Association for 50 years.

The seven men and one woman honored at Lackland last Friday represent more than 300 who sailed for the Far East in the fall of 1941. While war clouds gathered in the Pacific, the U.S. had not entered combat. The future Tigers went as volunteers, fighting for Chiang Kai-shek's Nationalist Chinese government. They were promised salaries well above those of the U.S. military and for the pilots, a bonus for each Japanese plane they shot down.

"We're the last of the Mohicans," said Chuck Baisden, who joined the group as a 21-year-old armorer. Today, 67 years later, he is the second-youngest alumnus of the Flying Tigers. "That's the way it is," he told the San Antonio Express-News. You come and you go.

Mr. Baisden's job was loading ammunition into the machine-guns of the P-40 Warhawks flown by the group's pilots. Today, only four of the men who flew those warbirds are still living, and only one of them attended last week's reunion.

But, as their numbers dwindle, the Flying Tigers' wartime record provides an enduring legacy. At a time when the Japanese seemed unstoppable, AVG pilots decimated enemy bomber and fighter formations, racking up an impressive 15-1 kill ratio. By some accounts, the Flying Tigers shot down as many as 296 Japanese aircraft, though some historians believe the total may be considerably lower.

More remarkably, the Tigers earned their reputation in an aircraft--the venerable Warhawk--that was ill-suited for dog-fighting against more maneuverable Japanese aircraft. But the group's legendary commander, Claire Chennault, understood the P-40's limitations, and adopted tactics that emphasized its advantages in speed and armament.

Like his men, Chennault was also a volunteer. He resigned from the Army Air Corps in 1937, after battling superiors on the issue of pursuit, or fighter aviation. As an instructor at the Air Corps Tactical School (ACTS), Chennault was one of the few that challenged the "holy grail" of that era--an unshakable belief that bomber formations could always reach their target.

Chennault vehemently disagreed. He believed that well-coordinated air defenses, including fighter planes, could shoot down enough bombers to render their attacks ineffective, or unsustainable.

As an air adviser to Chiang Kai-shek, Chennault got a chance to prove his theory. But his initial attempts at organizing a Chinese air force met with mixed results and the withdrawal of Soviet mercenary units (in 1940) created an urgent need for skilled pilots and ground crews. Chennault returned to the United States and rounded up 300 volunteers, who formed the initial cadre of the AVG.

After a brief training period in Burma, the Flying Tigers entered combat just two weeks after Pearl Harbor, protecting the vital "Burma Road" from enemy air attack. Though badly out-numbered, Chennault's squadrons made the Japanese pay dearly for their advance into Burma and southern China, shooting down scores of enemy fighters and bombers. The volunteer unit remained in combat into the summer of 1942, when it was absorbed by the U.S. Army Air Force and designated the 23rd Fighter Group.

While many of the Tigers had previously served with the Army, Navy or Marine Corps, only five officers and 19 enlisted men elected to join the new group, disgusted by the "strong-arm" tactics of the Army general sent to recruit them. Chennault, who was promoted to Brigadier General, retained his position as commander. Tex Hill stayed on as well, serving as a squadron commander.

But most of the AVG pilots turned down a chance to join the 23rd. Some went to work as transport pilots, flying vital supplies "across The Hump" from India; others transitioned to civilian jobs back in the U.S., or rejoined the military and served with other units.

Along with its remaining aircraft and equipment, the newly-formed 23rd Fighter Group inherited something else from the Flying Tigers--the famous "shark mouth" painted on the nose of each aircraft. Today, the unit's A-10 attack jets (based at Moody AFB, Georgia), are the only Air Force aircraft authorized to carry that famous marking.

One of the 23rd's A-10s recently logged its 9,000th flying hour, becoming the most travelled fighter aircraft in Air Force history. It's part of the proud history of the group--a history that began with the AVG and the veterans recognized last Friday in San Antonio.

Tally Ho,
Beaufighter
 
AVG has always been one of my favourite outfits from the early days of WWII.
Excellent and interesting post Beaufighter.

Cheers
H
 
Thanks for the reminder of theri deeds. "Flying Tigers" and "God is my Co-Pilot" are the few reminders we have of these extraordinary brave men.

Dick
 
The AVG are among this country's greatest heroes. The autographed book, dvd and flyers Dick Rossi gave Steven Chong to give me are among my most treasured possessions. As each Flying Tiger succombs to old age, we lose a national treasure.
 
Marc

Great Story ! I love the Flying Tigers- I use to read all about them in my youth and thought the P-40 was the coolest Plane ever :cool:

You got me thinking about my past passion for this plane - that I went on Treefrog and bought the FIGARTI - Dick Rossi - P-40 :D

I have been going back and forth on it - no space / where to display it - but, what the heck right ?

Anyway - for the rest of you out there - Treefrog has 3 more P-40's left and there are marked down to $230.00 :eek: A real deal.

Ron
 
Marc-

thank you for the informative writeup- you always provide interesting and well written writeups relating to aviation history and I for one enjoy it.

Just throwing this out there but for you guys who have a gripe on Blackwater and their operations- how can you go and justify the AVG's as great American heroes and cast judgement on Blackwater operatives as mercenaries and "honorless bandits" as Canadian SAmurai put it. I think a very very plausible argument could be put out there that the AVG's were essentially the first in a long line of American "mercs". Granted, once the war was officially kicked off they transferred over but, as far as I understand it, the CO of the outfit was pretty ticked off with American brass and decided to run things his way and accepted his one star appointment- admittedly, I don't know much about the outfit so I may be off base here. Still, they were flying combat missions as American citizens, in the paid employ of the Chinese Government against a country in which the US had not legally declared hostile action- imagine the outcry if Blackwater operators were out sniping at AL Qaeda operatives before 9-11.

Amazing the groupthink around here WW2= heroic supermen, GWOT-OIF/OEF= Mercenary thugs and cutthroat Bush war for oil savages. Still the same thing, one man has a skill be it on the business end of a P-40 stick or an M16, the man hasn't changed just because the enemy is different or the cause is "more just".
 
Chris,

Allow me to correct a misconception on your part. The Chinese government had formally requested American aid against Japanese aggression, aid which the United States could not give via direct military action as a state of war did not yet exist between the two nations. FDR gave instructions to send help through non-military channels. The AVG pilots were all USAAC, USN or USMC pilots, who were given permission to temporarily take extended leave from their respective branches of the service, with a promised return to to their ranks and seniority upon their return, to enter Chinese service. While Claire Chenault had been wrongfully more or less thrown out of the service because his superiors did not like the fact that he proved their pet doctrines about the dominance of bombers to be fatally flawed, and had thereafter been hired as an advisor by Chaing Kai Shek, the remainder of the pilots were american servicemen on extended leave. Indeed, it was the highhanded nature of Chenault's successor, who threated Navy and Marine pilots who didn't accept Air Corps wings with being discharged from the service and drafted as infantrymen, which caused most (including one of our highest scoring aces, Greg "Pappy" Boeington ) of the pilots to leave the AVG when it transferred to USAAC service. These men, most of whom rejoined their respective banches of the armed forces and served with great distinction, were not mercenaries.
 
Louis:

Well who is this Central Aircraft Manufacturing Company as cited per Wiki??

Chennault spent the winter of 1940–1941 in Washington, supervising the purchase of 100 Curtiss P-40 fighters (diverted from a Royal Air Force order) and the recruiting of 100 pilots and about 200 ground crewmen. Forty pilots came from the Army Air Corps, although one was refused a passport because he had earlier flown as a mercenary in Spain. (Ten more army flight instructors were hired as check pilots for Chinese cadets, and some of these would ultimately join the AVG’s combat squadrons.) Sixty pilots came from the Navy and Marine Corps.

The volunteer pilots were discharged from the American armed services, to be employed for "training and instruction" by a private military contractor, the Central Aircraft Manufacturing Company, which paid them $600 a month for pilot officer, $675 a month for flight leader, and $750 for squadron leader, although no pilot was recruited at this level.[4] (A USAAF captain in 1942, with flight and overseas pay, earned $347 a month.)[5] The pilots were also orally promised a bounty of $500 for each enemy aircraft shot down.

Although sometimes regarded as a mercenary unit, the AVG had government funding and approval. Most histories of the Flying Tigers indicate that on 15 April 1941, President Roosevelt signed a "secret executive order" authorizing servicemen on active duty to resign from the U.S. military in order to sign up for the AVG. However, Flying Tigers historian Daniel Ford could find no evidence that such an order ever existed, and he argued that "a wink and a nod" was more the president's style.[6] In any event, the AVG was organized and in part directed out of the White House until the unit was disbanded.

Again, I am not an aviation history buff but I know everytime I hear the Blackwater debate- interviews, speeches, etc, the AVG's eventually get worked into the mix. It appears that they didn't directly engage the Japanese until after PH though. And what about the stipend for additional airplanes shot down?? I know that BW doesn't offer anything like that. Perhaps the differentiation lies in the fact that the AVG's were government funded (ie, equipment and pay came through the government) whereas BW signs contracts with the government and then procures all their equipment, personnel, etc, in house.
 
...Again, I am not an aviation history buff but I know everytime I hear the Blackwater debate- interviews, speeches, etc, the AVG's eventually get worked into the mix. It appears that they didn't directly engage the Japanese until after PH though. And what about the stipend for additional airplanes shot down?? I know that BW doesn't offer anything like that. Perhaps the differentiation lies in the fact that the AVG's were government funded (ie, equipment and pay came through the government) whereas BW signs contracts with the government and then procures all their equipment, personnel, etc, in house.

I trust almost nothing I hear in the mainstream media, and foreign sources as well. And any journalist who denies that a journalist may have a bias (we all have biases, it's not a negative or a postive, it simply is) is doubly suspect.

Prost!
Brad
 

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