Beasts of No Nation...WHY? (1 Viewer)

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All,

Watched it and will report back tomorrow as I literally have to digest this film.

But, I will say this...

WHY WAS IS NOT NOMINATED FOR AN ACADEMY AWARD?

I cannot believe it was "snubbed".

John from Texas

PS: I feel like I just watched the Terrance Malik Thin Red Line version of African Civil War.
 
Probably because it was through Netflix. However, it's a great movie. Idris Elba is superb.
 
Probably because it is a bit too depressing all round.
I find all these stark realistic films a difficult to watch
 
Big fan of Idris Elba. Film been on my Netflix menu for a while but not bothered to watch it as agree with Damian. Not that interested to watch it as know it will be a tough subject.

Are Oscar nominations supposed to have been shown in cinema ?

Being a Netflix movie means many will not have chance to see it.
 
Big fan of Idris Elba. Film been on my Netflix menu for a while but not bothered to watch it as agree with Damian. Not that interested to watch it as know it will be a tough subject.

Are Oscar nominations supposed to have been shown in cinema ?

Being a Netflix movie means many will not have chance to see it.

Oh, I did not know it did not come out in Cinema. Perhaps it did in one of those limited releases or something and flew under the radar. There are parts where the actors are hard to understand, as in their language/dialect. I am not in tune with that type of accent so I found myself rewinding the movie here and there. Had I seen it in the cinema I would not have had that opportunity.

However, the content of the movie is as close to "African child soldier story" as possible and all the horrors that go with it. So, yes extremely disturbing and sad. This portrayal of abuse and chaos in modern day Africa is as real as it gets. It is hard to watch because it is unfathomable to see a child trained as a killer and partake in such atrocities. But, you know that this exists and has existed for a very long time which makes it harder to digest.

The cast is exceptional and the script, the direction and the writing are spot on. The violence is horrific, yet the cinematography is magnificent. Though the subject matter is a brutal reality of child soldier slavery/abuse and the film (in my opinion) needed to be recognized tackling such a tough subject.

John from Texas
 
I really can't add more than John has but the movie is excellent. At first I didn't want to watch but my son insisted. I sat there for two hours without moving. It's gripping.

That it's from Netflix shouldn't matter as the way we watch movies and how movies are made is changing. This movie is Exhibit A in the charge of racism against the Academy.
 
I really can't add more than John has but the movie is excellent. At first I didn't want to watch but my son insisted. I sat there for two hours without moving. It's gripping.

That it's from Netflix shouldn't matter as the way we watch movies and how movies are made is changing. This movie is Exhibit A in the charge of racism against the Academy.

Here, here...

John from Texas
 
....That it's from Netflix shouldn't matter as the way we watch movies and how movies are made is changing. This movie is Exhibit A in the charge of racism against the Academy.

I wouldn't be so quick with charges of racism against the Academy. The Academy has rules just like any other organization.
"In order to be eligible for an Oscar nomination films must be released in theaters in Los Angeles county for at least a week. The movie must also not be broadcast in non-theatrical format before releasing in L.A., hence Netflix’s simultaneous online and in-theaters release." The problem
with Netflix’s simultaneous online and in-theaters release is that major movie chains refused to show it, In releasing it simultaneously, Netflix is squeezing the ticket and concession profits out of the few theaters who agreed to show it. That's where the big buck comes that pays Hollywood elite exorbitant
salaries. Maybe some day the Academy will change the rules, but the Netflix expirement in bending the rules failed.

The film’s production budget was just $6 million and Netflix bought its distribution rights for $12 million. Since major movie chains didn't want to
devote theater time or resources to a film that could easily be seen more timely from your couch, only 31 small independent theaters opted
to show it. To date they only have domestic Total Gross of $90,777. A colossal box office flop. Theater owners aren’t happy. I suppose cries of racist
will bring in a few more bucks.

The book didn't sell well either. Probably why a minor production company picked it up.

Nor did Netflix spend much on advertising lobbying necessary for Oscar attention.

I have not seen it, nor is there even a remote chance that I will.
 
The Academy needs to adjust the way it looks at movies. It's suited to the 1960s, not the Internet age.

As to whether or not you see it, who cares?
 
The Academy needs to adjust the way it looks at movies. It's suited to the 1960s, not the Internet age.
Maybe they should give out Oscars for the Twitter Awards.

As to whether or not you see it, who cares?
Probably Netflix, since they really only invested in a box office failure as PR to increase signups,
i.e. $12 million for $90K income. And lessen the impact of impending increases.
http://www.mobipicker.com/netflix-price-increase-no-one-to-be-spared/
 
I wouldn't be so quick with charges of racism against the Academy. The Academy has rules just like any other organization.
"In order to be eligible for an Oscar nomination films must be released in theaters in Los Angeles county for at least a week. The movie must also not be broadcast in non-theatrical format before releasing in L.A., hence Netflix’s simultaneous online and in-theaters release." The problem
with Netflix’s simultaneous online and in-theaters release is that major movie chains refused to show it, In releasing it simultaneously, Netflix is squeezing the ticket and concession profits out of the few theaters who agreed to show it. That's where the big buck comes that pays Hollywood elite exorbitant
salaries. Maybe some day the Academy will change the rules, but the Netflix expirement in bending the rules failed.

The film’s production budget was just $6 million and Netflix bought its distribution rights for $12 million. Since major movie chains didn't want to
devote theater time or resources to a film that could easily be seen more timely from your couch, only 31 small independent theaters opted
to show it. To date they only have domestic Total Gross of $90,777. A colossal box office flop. Theater owners aren’t happy. I suppose cries of racist
will bring in a few more bucks.

The book didn't sell well either. Probably why a minor production company picked it up.

Nor did Netflix spend much on advertising lobbying necessary for Oscar attention.

I have not seen it, nor is there even a remote chance that I will.

BL,

Man, that is great information! How and where did you get all that info? I did not know about the Los Angeles County viewing requirement. I guess that goes for documentaries too, but certainly not foreign films, which I think "BONN" is. Isn't it considered a Foreign film or Domestic?

I an not sold on the idea that BONN not being nominated is a racist issue. Nor do I think racism had anything to do with it. I was asking "WHY?" more so in respect as to why it was overlooked. Not understanding the Academy processes for nomination. But, now that I am armed with this info now I understand why it probably was not nominated. So, thank you
for that enlightenment BL.

Neither am I indicting the Academy of being racist. My argument is geared more towards my displeasure with race always being brought up BEFORE the Awards by those of color who are not nominated. It wears me out. However, it now has come to pass that their is cause for change there and the Academy has recognized its antiquated ways of selecting.

Also, Jazz is right in his view that the Academy is way out of touch in the internet age and do in fact need to recognize that there are more than one ways to produce, distribute and show a film for audiences. If they don't then the Academy Awards will lose their panache and another award system will become more popular.

On a side note, I know and do business with a guy who once owned some umpteen hundred or so Blockbuster Franchises. When he was at his peak, he had an idea for seamless returns and check-outs; a Drop Box idea. He took it to the Blockbuster big wigs and they mocked him and said "like a vending machine? uh...no that will never work...you see people want to come in and walk around, pick up the movie, read the back of it, talk about and enjoy their BB experience" He had done well enough with BB and decided to retire and sold all of his Franchises (some back to Blockbuster who paid his asking price). HE Retired and moved on and watched the stock of a new company called NETFLIX who send movies in the mail. He talked to his old buddies at BB about that one too and they said "In the mail? That would never work". Well, they went from in the mail to online to production of movies, docs and original series in a very, very, very short time. Soon after that BB went under and the rest is history.

My point is-is that if any organization, program or company is not open to change or new ideas they will fail...even the Academy Awards. Moreover, if they overlook, exclude or dismiss other artists work as "less than" and don't look deeper into films across the spectrum they will miss out on gems and masterpieces. It is there solemn duty to vet movies that are blockbusters and art house indies and currently in my humble opinion they have failed for a very long time. The industry itself has failed in producing limited material open only to limited actors and actresses. The degree of nepotism in Hollywood is shameless and the degree to keep as a condition of production is choking the diversity we see on the screen.

Someone on this thread said it best whereby to hurt the movie industry is to hit them in the pocket book. I could not agree more and I think thats just what I will do.

John from Texas

PS: BL it really is a good movie. Like I said I compare it to the same type of cinematic feel of A Thin Red Line, but the narrator is the child soldier.
 
I think the issue of a lack of "urban content" is more a case of sour grapes than of anything else.

I heard a brief interview Academy member Penelope Ann Miller, who discussed making her selections. In her case, she talked about "Straight Outta Compton", which is one property that the accusers claim was not included because it's about black people, cast with black actors. Miller said it just wasn't as good as other movies submitted for consideration.

I really suspect that the members of the Academy would tend to swing in the other direction, that they are so afraid of being called racist, that they would tend to employ a form of artistic affirmative action when it comes to the process.

And I love Jada Pinkett Smith's suggestion to racial prejudice (real or perceived), and that's......segregation. Yeah, that oughta work.
 
Watched this today and I basically agree with the other reviews, very brutal, depressing, beautifully filmed and scored. The acting is as outstanding as the story is sad. I'd say, as John did, that this film owes a nod to Mallick's Thin Red Line in terms of the way it's shot and scored, using nature and haunting music to highlight the tragedy of the events. It is a moving film. -- Al
 
Watched this today and I basically agree with the other reviews, very brutal, depressing, beautifully filmed and scored. The acting is as outstanding as the story is sad. I'd say, as John did, that this film owes a nod to Mallick's Thin Red Line in terms of the way it's shot and scored, using nature and haunting music to highlight the tragedy of the events. It is a moving film. -- Al

Al,

My 14 year old daughter saw the opening which was very bright and funny. She went to a soccer game and came back at the very end and asked me how it was. I told her the truth...its brutal. She wants to see it and I gotta tell you I just don't know man. It is very moving its just some of the scenes are absolutely awful.

So, Im in a the dilemma of allowing her to watch it (with me of course) and or not exposing her to the realities of child soldier slavery in Africa...via a riveting movie. Now, this is coming from the kid who's parents took him to see Apocalypse Now at 7 years of age. I'm not scarred or anything, in fact I love that movie. But, it is brutal and sad movie with a whole wide range of brutality.

I don't know...

John from Texas
 
Al,

My 14 year old daughter saw the opening which was very bright and funny. She went to a soccer game and came back at the very end and asked me how it was. I told her the truth...its brutal. She wants to see it and I gotta tell you I just don't know man. It is very moving its just some of the scenes are absolutely awful.

So, Im in a the dilemma of allowing her to watch it (with me of course) and or not exposing her to the realities of child soldier slavery in Africa...via a riveting movie. Now, this is coming from the kid who's parents took him to see Apocalypse Now at 7 years of age. I'm not scarred or anything, in fact I love that movie. But, it is brutal and sad movie with a whole wide range of brutality.

I don't know...

John from Texas
John, a definite dilemma you have here. Might be too brutal and ultimately depressing for a young teen, especially as there is no real closure. It sure isn't the usual fluff that is sold to the public today. Tough choice. -- Al
 

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