Britains Command Sets 1 and 2 (Redcoats) (1 Viewer)
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craig1985taylor
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id also like to know in what order the figures should be placed hopefully someone will be able to help ???
Ken & Ericka Osen/H&A Studio
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Hi All,
I recently posted that formation some where, but I do not remember the thread.
I also answered this question within the last few days for a company advancing and firing by platoons with colours, musik and officers. I can cut and paste the most recent communiqué if it would be helpful until I can get some time to find and/or re write the suggested formation for you.
All the Best!
Ken
I recently posted that formation some where, but I do not remember the thread.
I also answered this question within the last few days for a company advancing and firing by platoons with colours, musik and officers. I can cut and paste the most recent communiqué if it would be helpful until I can get some time to find and/or re write the suggested formation for you.
All the Best!
Ken
Ken & Ericka Osen/H&A Studio
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Hi Again!
Here is the excerpt from a recent reply I made answering how platoons from the center companies would be set up advancing and firing by sections. This would be a combat deployment and different than parade ground, but may prove useful to some of you.
I will take the time later tonight or tomorrow to describe a typical formation for the 1750-70 period based on Bland's and the Norfolk Discipline.
Note that the 1764 exercise is a development of these, so the following description would work for a field deployment for these slightly earlier periods too.
"I took a look at your display... which is very nice indeed. It seems that you are keen on setting the formations up in an accurate fashion so here are a couple of observations:
Although three rank formations were outlined in the 1764 exercise, and taught, you can use two ranks if you wish as this was often used in North American service. Which ever formation you choose you should use it for both of your platoons or companies. You are using three rank firing and two rank advancing in your display.
Here is what I would suggest...
The infantry is presenting a limited front the way they are set up, so it would make sense to have the two companies set up the full depth of your display from front edge to back. All of the orientations I describe are as you are facing the enemy with the formations with officers and NCOs to your right and the Colours to your left at the center of the Regiment.
1. I would set the first company up advancing on the left of your display in two ranks. use a sergeant and/or officer to the right of the first file and a drummer, often two per company during wartime, to the center rear.
2. The ensigns and colour sergeants are usually posted to the center of the companies deployed. Normally there wou ld be from right to left, NCO, Ensign with King's Colour, Ensign with Regimental Colour, NCO and often ORs or Corporals filling positions in the second rank. Often the senior officer would be following the Colour party, mounted. I would place this group next in line as though it is advancing with that company.
3. The next line would be the firing company with first rank kneeling and the second rank standing. An NCO would be to the right of the first rank with an officer and musik in the rear.
This would make a typical advancing line that is pausing and firing by platoon or company."
Hopefully this will help some of you in set ups... More later!
Ken
Here is the excerpt from a recent reply I made answering how platoons from the center companies would be set up advancing and firing by sections. This would be a combat deployment and different than parade ground, but may prove useful to some of you.
I will take the time later tonight or tomorrow to describe a typical formation for the 1750-70 period based on Bland's and the Norfolk Discipline.
Note that the 1764 exercise is a development of these, so the following description would work for a field deployment for these slightly earlier periods too.
"I took a look at your display... which is very nice indeed. It seems that you are keen on setting the formations up in an accurate fashion so here are a couple of observations:
Although three rank formations were outlined in the 1764 exercise, and taught, you can use two ranks if you wish as this was often used in North American service. Which ever formation you choose you should use it for both of your platoons or companies. You are using three rank firing and two rank advancing in your display.
Here is what I would suggest...
The infantry is presenting a limited front the way they are set up, so it would make sense to have the two companies set up the full depth of your display from front edge to back. All of the orientations I describe are as you are facing the enemy with the formations with officers and NCOs to your right and the Colours to your left at the center of the Regiment.
1. I would set the first company up advancing on the left of your display in two ranks. use a sergeant and/or officer to the right of the first file and a drummer, often two per company during wartime, to the center rear.
2. The ensigns and colour sergeants are usually posted to the center of the companies deployed. Normally there wou ld be from right to left, NCO, Ensign with King's Colour, Ensign with Regimental Colour, NCO and often ORs or Corporals filling positions in the second rank. Often the senior officer would be following the Colour party, mounted. I would place this group next in line as though it is advancing with that company.
3. The next line would be the firing company with first rank kneeling and the second rank standing. An NCO would be to the right of the first rank with an officer and musik in the rear.
This would make a typical advancing line that is pausing and firing by platoon or company."
Hopefully this will help some of you in set ups... More later!
Ken
Ken & Ericka Osen/H&A Studio
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Hi Again,
I knew I had posted it some where before...I found it under the W. Britain Glossies section. I think this will help you in setting up your companies!
In the 1750 -60s Plans of Discipline such as Bland's or Norfolk the normal size of a company was to be approximately 40 men in the line units, excluding the Musik and Hatchet men. Typically this could be as low as thirty men fit for service per company and on campaign this might be even less.
The companies were sized with the tallest men in the front rank. Each rank was also sized with the tallest men on the other ends of the line and the shortest in the center. ( I suppose this is moot with toy soldiers!)
In a company drawn up for exercise in one rank, with three officers present they would be equally spaced along the front a few paces in front of the ORs.
If you were viewing the company in front of you, the Captain would be in the center with Lieutenants on either side.
The NCOs would be at the left end of the line.
The Musik would be to the left of the NCOs, and if there were Hatchet men or Pioneers, they would be to the left of the Musik.
When the ORs were formed into three ranks the Captain would be posted to the center front, with the two junior officers posted at the right and left ends of the center rank.
The NCOs are posted to the left with the Musik to the left of them. These command sections are posted on the first and third ranks, with the Hatchet men to the left of the first rank.
During movement on the field it was the norm for the NCOs to move as needed to keep control of the men, and it was not unusual to have one posted at both the right and left.
It was also typical to have the Musik posted to the center front just behind the officer and a few paces to the front of the men. This was to insure that the commands could be communicated by drum.
To the front of this command group of officer and Musik would be the Pioneers in an advanced position.
There are many minor variations, and the Drill of 1764 continued to make adjustments to these arrangements, and additional changes were always adopted on active campaign.
Hope this helps you.
Ken
I knew I had posted it some where before...I found it under the W. Britain Glossies section. I think this will help you in setting up your companies!
In the 1750 -60s Plans of Discipline such as Bland's or Norfolk the normal size of a company was to be approximately 40 men in the line units, excluding the Musik and Hatchet men. Typically this could be as low as thirty men fit for service per company and on campaign this might be even less.
The companies were sized with the tallest men in the front rank. Each rank was also sized with the tallest men on the other ends of the line and the shortest in the center. ( I suppose this is moot with toy soldiers!)
In a company drawn up for exercise in one rank, with three officers present they would be equally spaced along the front a few paces in front of the ORs.
If you were viewing the company in front of you, the Captain would be in the center with Lieutenants on either side.
The NCOs would be at the left end of the line.
The Musik would be to the left of the NCOs, and if there were Hatchet men or Pioneers, they would be to the left of the Musik.
When the ORs were formed into three ranks the Captain would be posted to the center front, with the two junior officers posted at the right and left ends of the center rank.
The NCOs are posted to the left with the Musik to the left of them. These command sections are posted on the first and third ranks, with the Hatchet men to the left of the first rank.
During movement on the field it was the norm for the NCOs to move as needed to keep control of the men, and it was not unusual to have one posted at both the right and left.
It was also typical to have the Musik posted to the center front just behind the officer and a few paces to the front of the men. This was to insure that the commands could be communicated by drum.
To the front of this command group of officer and Musik would be the Pioneers in an advanced position.
There are many minor variations, and the Drill of 1764 continued to make adjustments to these arrangements, and additional changes were always adopted on active campaign.
Hope this helps you.
Ken
craig1985taylor
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hi ken thanks for bringing this out again i must of missed it the 1st time round!!!
