Canadian Forces to go back to the future with British-style ranks (1 Viewer)

Ken & Ericka Osen/H&A Studio

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Hi All,
I thought that this was a wonderful nod to the past. Growing up in Canada, and around the Canadian Military I am very glad to see this continued link to the past, tradition has its place. :)
All the Best,
Ericka

This is from the CBC on July 9th, 2013.


Canadian Forces to go back to the future with British-style ranks

Military makeover a nod to First, Second World War triumphs, defence minister says...

The Canadian Army is marching into its past.

As part of the ongoing image makeover of the military, Defence Minister Peter MacKay announced Monday that the army will replace the Maple Leaf rank designation on the shoulder boards of officers with the traditional "pips" and Crowns in a nod to the country's past.

The ranks of non-commissioned officers will also be returned to the original British Army and Commonwealth designations.

The decision means the rank of private, within the army, will be virtually eliminated and replaced with trooper, bombardier, fusilier, rifleman or guardsman, depending on the unit.

The designations were in place throughout the First and Second World Wars, when Canada achieved some of its greatest military triumphs, and the changes don't strip away any Canadian identity, but rather strengthen the bond with the past, MacKay said.

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"This takes nothing away from the Maple Leaf," he said. "There are other places which the Maple Leaf is honoured. This in no way diminishes Canadian identity, and I would suggest we are returning to the insignia that was so much a part of what the Canadian Army accomplished in Canada's name."

MacKay pointed out that the Australians have always kept their army rank and insignia closely allied with their British roots, despite a strong movement in that country to pull away from the tradition.

The army is not alone. There have been subtle changes to the uniforms of naval officers, returning a distinctive curl to the cuff rings.

The Harper government, over the last couple of years, has returned different branches of the military to their 1960s pre-amalgamation names, re-introducing the Royal designation to the air force and navy.

In addition, it changed around the placement of flags on warships, moving the naval ensign — which is closely associated with the Royal Navy — back up to the mast and flying the Canadian flag from the bow whenever a ship was in port.

MacKay also announced on Monday the elimination of the geographic designations within the domestic army command, organizing different regions of the country into their historic "divisions," replacing the somewhat bland-sounding land forces designation.
 
I think this is great for our Armed Forces . Unfortunately Peter MacKay is no longer Minister of National Defence . In a recent cabinet shuffle he is now Minister of Justice.

Ken , this may be an incentive for WB to produce more Canadian figures :)
Regards
Kirk
 
This sounds great! I have always thought pips were a great insignia.
In terms of Canadian figures, there are lots of things u would love to see but know will never be made, such as matt Canadian voyageurs/militia, Québécois revolutionaries, and ceremonial Royal Canadian Highlanders.
 
Hi All,
I thought that this was a wonderful nod to the past. Growing up in Canada, and around the Canadian Military I am very glad to see this continued link to the past, tradition has its place. :)
All the Best,
Ericka

This is from the CBC on July 9th, 2013.


Canadian Forces to go back to the future with British-style ranks

Military makeover a nod to First, Second World War triumphs, defence minister says...

The Canadian Army is marching into its past.

As part of the ongoing image makeover of the military, Defence Minister Peter MacKay announced Monday that the army will replace the Maple Leaf rank designation on the shoulder boards of officers with the traditional "pips" and Crowns in a nod to the country's past.

The ranks of non-commissioned officers will also be returned to the original British Army and Commonwealth designations.

The decision means the rank of private, within the army, will be virtually eliminated and replaced with trooper, bombardier, fusilier, rifleman or guardsman, depending on the unit.

The designations were in place throughout the First and Second World Wars, when Canada achieved some of its greatest military triumphs, and the changes don't strip away any Canadian identity, but rather strengthen the bond with the past, MacKay said.

WW II Dambusters attack marked by Alberta museum

"This takes nothing away from the Maple Leaf," he said. "There are other places which the Maple Leaf is honoured. This in no way diminishes Canadian identity, and I would suggest we are returning to the insignia that was so much a part of what the Canadian Army accomplished in Canada's name."

MacKay pointed out that the Australians have always kept their army rank and insignia closely allied with their British roots, despite a strong movement in that country to pull away from the tradition.

The army is not alone. There have been subtle changes to the uniforms of naval officers, returning a distinctive curl to the cuff rings.

The Harper government, over the last couple of years, has returned different branches of the military to their 1960s pre-amalgamation names, re-introducing the Royal designation to the air force and navy.

In addition, it changed around the placement of flags on warships, moving the naval ensign — which is closely associated with the Royal Navy — back up to the mast and flying the Canadian flag from the bow whenever a ship was in port.

MacKay also announced on Monday the elimination of the geographic designations within the domestic army command, organizing different regions of the country into their historic "divisions," replacing the somewhat bland-sounding land forces designation.
Great idea...I did not know they had gone "Yankee Style" with their rank....the only difference I knew of between the Brit and Canadians during the war was the Brit wear the para wings on their right arm and the Canandians wore their para wings...yankee style on their chest....changing back to the rank of the Brit Sgt may cause some confusion...the Yanks have many different classer's of Sgt....from minor to senior......some Sgts might find themselves cpl's ......could be wrong...been out of the game for years.......thanks for the info...cheers TomB
 
Great idea...I did not know they had gone "Yankee Style" with their rank....the only difference I knew of between the Brit and Canadians during the war was the Brit wear the para wings on their right arm and the Canandians wore their para wings...yankee style on their chest....changing back to the rank of the Brit Sgt may cause some confusion...the Yanks have many different classer's of Sgt....from minor to senior......some Sgts might find themselves cpl's ......could be wrong...been out of the game for years.......thanks for the info...cheers TomB
I don't know what you mean by Yankee style with their ranks. Officers in the Canadian Forces wore rings on their sleeves similar to the naval ranks indicators, now they are going back to pips and crowns etc. These changes are only for the Canadian Army, the Navy changed some years ago and nothing has been said about the RCAF. Under the "new" old ranks army privates will be Gunners, Sappers, Troopers etc depending on the regiment. It doesn't seem clear what will happen to Master Corporal rank as it didn't exist in the pre-unification days. I'm guessing that Warrant Officers will return to being Staff Sergeants. It will be interesting to see what happens to Master Warrant Officers and Chief Warrant Officers.
 
I don't know what you mean by Yankee style with their ranks. Officers in the Canadian Forces wore rings on their sleeves similar to the naval ranks indicators, now they are going back to pips and crowns etc. These changes are only for the Canadian Army, the Navy changed some years ago and nothing has been said about the RCAF. Under the "new" old ranks army privates will be Gunners, Sappers, Troopers etc depending on the regiment. It doesn't seem clear what will happen to Master Corporal rank as it didn't exist in the pre-unification days. I'm guessing that Warrant Officers will return to being Staff Sergeants. It will be interesting to see what happens to Master Warrant Officers and Chief Warrant Officers.

Under Australian (and UK) system there are Warrant Officer Class I and II. There is still a Staff Sergeant rank in Australian Defence Force but only a few of them around (in a specialist unit I can not recall, perhaps EOD).

Master Corporal sounds very impressive.
 
I don't know what you mean by Yankee style with their ranks. Officers in the Canadian Forces wore rings on their sleeves similar to the naval ranks indicators, now they are going back to pips and crowns etc. These changes are only for the Canadian Army, the Navy changed some years ago and nothing has been said about the RCAF. Under the "new" old ranks army privates will be Gunners, Sappers, Troopers etc depending on the regiment. It doesn't seem clear what will happen to Master Corporal rank as it didn't exist in the pre-unification days. I'm guessing that Warrant Officers will return to being Staff Sergeants. It will be interesting to see what happens to Master Warrant Officers and Chief Warrant Officers.
The Brit/Aussie .. NCO rank's are ,,,,,,,LCpl...Cpl...Sgt...Staff Sgt...W011 and WO1.......only two class's for Sgt and two for WO's......much simpler system.....Staff Sgt is more an admin. position ( Q Store ).......each rank has the ability to assume the duties of the rank above if necessary......ie....Cpl acting Sgt...Sgt acting WO11.......the acting rank is used quiet often to cover for the Superior ranker who is on a course...sick or holidays ..etc ....in peace time if you perform the duties of a higher rank...you are paid that ranks wage's for the time you are carrying out those duties........I presume that is what will happen, or something like it...cheers TomB
 
The Brit/Aussie .. NCO rank's are ,,,,,,,LCpl...Cpl...Sgt...Staff Sgt...W011 and WO1.......only two class's for Sgt and two for WO's......much simpler system.....Staff Sgt is more an admin. position ( Q Store ).......each rank has the ability to assume the duties of the rank above if necessary......ie....Cpl acting Sgt...Sgt acting WO11.......the acting rank is used quiet often to cover for the Superior ranker who is on a course...sick or holidays ..etc ....in peace time if you perform the duties of a higher rank...you are paid that ranks wage's for the time you are carrying out those duties........I presume that is what will happen, or something like it...cheers TomB
It's very similar except we have not had L/Cpl and and M/Cpl was inserted. In both the army and the Air Force Master Warrants and Chief Warrants were (and are technically) WO2 and WO1.
 
It's very similar except we have not had L/Cpl and and M/Cpl was inserted. In both the army and the Air Force Master Warrants and Chief Warrants were (and are technically) WO2 and WO1.
Thanks for that...I just presumed the Canadian's being a commonwealth country had the same Rank system as the Brits.....I knew blokes who were in Korea with the Canadians and they never mentioned anything about the Canadian rank system,,,they did mention the confusing NCO system the Yank's had .......cheers TomB
 
Thanks for that...I just presumed the Canadian's being a commonwealth country had the same Rank system as the Brits.....I knew blokes who were in Korea with the Canadians and they never mentioned anything about the Canadian rank system,,,they did mention the confusing NCO system the Yank's had .......cheers TomB
We used to be all the same and looks like we are finally going back. When politicians start playing with the military they can sure make a mess!!!
 

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