Did Hitler really die in his bunker? (1 Viewer)
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hotel3alpha
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Bro, this one has been debated, debunked and deloused since...FOREVER.
Personally, I have two thoughts: One, is that he was too vain to commit the ole Seppuku and fled to South America to join his buddies. His homies DID go over there and were eventually picked off one by one by the Mossad. But, I believe there were/are a lot more of them who made it and lived on. Second, he possibly did die in the bunker (or close by) and the Russians were the ones who whacked him out and sent his body to the Kremlin. Hitler stabbed Stalin in the back when he invaded Russia and broke their accord not to invade each other. Stalin never got over that one and went into a deep depression for 30 days or so stunned at Hitlers betrayal. Having studied Stalin, he is the kind of guy that would wanted Hitler all to him self...dead or alive...as a trophy or to exact some sort of creeped out revenge by throwing him in a personal cage or something. Yeah, Stalin was a sick dude.
I do know one thing, Hitler is long gone by now.
John from Texas
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.... nor in new TV movies; :redface2: nor in TV documentaries; :redface2: nor in new books in the Military Book clubs; :redface2: nor in the NEWS as some of the current German army members are being charged with National Socialist propaganda.
Jezzzzzz enough already ....
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Hey John ... you really think so?
Then you have never seen the worse film in the history of movies: "THEY SAVED HITLER'S BRAIN"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4LvBu2Rwfmw {sm4} {sm4} {sm4}
Watch the whole thing here if you can stomach 1 1/2 hours.
Not as good as Attack of the Killer Tomatoes
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LARRY,
I am going to watch it and report back to you...HAHA.
John from Texas
I am going to watch it and report back to you...HAHA.
John from Texas
A very good novel/secret history on this subject was written in 1987 by Joseph Heywood. It is titled 'The Berkut' and is all about the Hitler attempt to get out of Germany and the pursuit of him by a Russian agent. Stalin's wish for revenge is a very prominent feature of the book. It is a highly entertaining read. -- Al
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But is it as good as Martian elephants with killer vacuums? hahaha! What was the name of that movie again?
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Going back to John's comment about the Russians.
To me it is fairly straightforward. If you were Hitler or for that matter the Goebels family would you prefer not to be captured by the Russians ? Might have been a different scenario if they knew the Brits or Americans would be first to the bunker.
As for Stalin I think he would very much want to have captured Hitler alive for the huge propaganda value back home. Any Russian soldier involved in capturing him alive would have been a hero. Even if they had killed him, in say a shoot out, I don't think there is any way Stalin would not have wanted his troops photographed gloating over his corpse.
There are a number of bunker survivors who were present to witness his death and lived a long life. I have not researched it but presume all would have been debriefed soon afterwards by various intelligence types and given the same account of his end. The last one died (the messenger / comms guy) only a few years ago. Even if they knew he had escaped by 1989 he would have been 100 even if he lived that long. If I was in on the cover up of his escape there is no way I could keep quiet when there is no longer a need to protect him.
His chances of escaping in the last few days were very remote and pretty much had no choice. Burning his body as they did also best option to avoid his body being found intact by the Russians.
If we ever saw the stats sales of Hitler figures including his cars probably outsells several top allied leaders combined. In a just world Churchill should be the best selling figure ! Even more so as he was a collector himself. Help the allies win the toy soldier war and buy a Churchill now !
To me it is fairly straightforward. If you were Hitler or for that matter the Goebels family would you prefer not to be captured by the Russians ? Might have been a different scenario if they knew the Brits or Americans would be first to the bunker.
As for Stalin I think he would very much want to have captured Hitler alive for the huge propaganda value back home. Any Russian soldier involved in capturing him alive would have been a hero. Even if they had killed him, in say a shoot out, I don't think there is any way Stalin would not have wanted his troops photographed gloating over his corpse.
There are a number of bunker survivors who were present to witness his death and lived a long life. I have not researched it but presume all would have been debriefed soon afterwards by various intelligence types and given the same account of his end. The last one died (the messenger / comms guy) only a few years ago. Even if they knew he had escaped by 1989 he would have been 100 even if he lived that long. If I was in on the cover up of his escape there is no way I could keep quiet when there is no longer a need to protect him.
His chances of escaping in the last few days were very remote and pretty much had no choice. Burning his body as they did also best option to avoid his body being found intact by the Russians.
If we ever saw the stats sales of Hitler figures including his cars probably outsells several top allied leaders combined. In a just world Churchill should be the best selling figure ! Even more so as he was a collector himself. Help the allies win the toy soldier war and buy a Churchill now !
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Weird timing.
Have been watching the series Hitlers Bodyguard on Netflix over past few weeks.
After last post watched what turned out to be last episode which covers his last days and has some of the last bunker survivors being interviewed. The main topic of conversation in last weeks was how to commit suicide, pistol or poison ? His secretary, Junge, is shown saying that Hitler was aware of what happened to Mussolini and had seen the images. He did not want that to happen to him. That was two days before Hitlers suicide.
Quite a few others who were in the bunker also suicided rather than be captured.
Have been watching the series Hitlers Bodyguard on Netflix over past few weeks.
After last post watched what turned out to be last episode which covers his last days and has some of the last bunker survivors being interviewed. The main topic of conversation in last weeks was how to commit suicide, pistol or poison ? His secretary, Junge, is shown saying that Hitler was aware of what happened to Mussolini and had seen the images. He did not want that to happen to him. That was two days before Hitlers suicide.
Quite a few others who were in the bunker also suicided rather than be captured.
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I have been watching Hunting Hitler and unless all those documents on the show is fake it's very compelling that he did make it to Argentina.Many thousands of Nazis did.We will probably never really know.I saw an interview with Tim Kennedy,a Green Beret on the show and he believes more and more that he did make it
Mark.
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Well Mark, I suppose it's possible that 'Der Fuhrer' really did make it out of Berlin...somehow grab a passing U Boat and sale across the Atlantic all the way to Argentina and remain hidden in some jungle hideaway for a year or two...
After all, it wasn't so long ago that the National Enquirer reported the presence of a UBoat on the moon!!!
All the best on Boxing Day,
Andy.
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Actually, I don’t think he remained in hiding. I lived in Uruguay in the 50s and the guy who used to sell us fresh hamburger meat and chorizos outside of Montevideo on the weekends had an uncanny resemblance to one Teppichfresser :wink2:
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Well we know for a fact that many high ranking nazis DID make it down there.Maybe Captain Kirk flew by and beamed them all from
Germany to Argentina.
Mark
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{sm4}{sm4}{sm4} Every now and then this subject pops up again around here. The fact that monsters such as Eichmann and Mengele, among others less notorious but equally vile, actually came to hide first in Argentina, makes these theories about Hitler proliferate, but frankly I find it impossible that this happened. For more ant-climax and anti-conspiracy that it sounds, and therefore without the same charm, he died in his bunker on 4/30/45 ... Despite the complelling evidence of his suicide, if his escape had ever taken place, a secret this big could not have been hidden from so many, for so long, by so many.
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Well the body they said was Hitler turned out to be female and I read this in newspaper articles not just tv shows.Now the Russians could be hiding the real body but no one can say.I know I'm fighting a losing battle here as once people get something in their head that's it.I'm more open to alternative views.We have seen many times that things isn't always as it seems.
Mark
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Just to be clear for all those who do not know, I actually lived in Uruguay between 1956-1960 and on the weekends we did go outside the city to buy fresh hamburger meat, chorizo and steaks. 60 years later, I can still taste that chorizo. When I was a kid, where we lived was not fully developed and around the corner from our house, workmen were building houses or apartment buildings, I don’t remember which. I used to wander the neighborhood when I wasn’t in school or playing with my little Uruguayan friend, Blanquita, and would go see what the workmen were up to. If it was lunchtime, they would make a fire and cook their chorizo and they would share a little bit with me. It was the best.
The southern cone has some of the best meat in the world.
The southern cone has some of the best meat in the world.