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craig1985taylor

craig1985taylor

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Im attempting to create a scene with my 1st foot guards during the french & indian war, I was wondering if anybody could tell me the correct way the 1st foot guards would of paraded during that time? & how many of each figure i would need to display them correctly?

At the moment I own,

8 grenadiers,
8 centre company,
4 drummers,
4 fifers,
2 colour bearers,
1 drum major,
1 grenadier officer,
1 grenadier NCO
& 1 pioneer.

any help would be very appreciated :)
 
Im not really sure were abouts the pioneers & NCO's would be positioned & how many of each there would be?
 
Craig

Unfortunately the 1st Foot Guards did not make it to America during the FIW. They were primarily in Germany as part of the 7 Years War. The 45th, the new WB series, however, was in North America and will have all the components of what you want to do.

Here is a chart I made a while back minus its pictures of a typical setup. PM me your email address and I will attach the Word Doc with images

18th Century British Infantry Regimental Company



The following outline is meant to represent a typical British Infantry Regimental Company of the 18th Century. It utilizes soldiers from the W. Britain Redcoats & Bluecoats Collection to illustrate the structure. The examples shown are from the 1st Foot Guards (1754-1763) representing the Seven Years War in Europe.


Regiment

Consists of 10 Companies:

10 Companies are composed of:

8 Battalion* Companies






2 Flank** Companies



*Battalion Companies are placed at the center of a line
** Flank Companies are at the left and right wings or “flanks” of the Battalion Companies

Two Types of Flank Companies:

Grenadiers –on right flank: a position of honor (for duties see below)


Light Infantry—on left flank (used as skirmishers)


Components of a Company using the grenadiers from the 1st Foot Guards by W. Britain:


1 Captain


1 Lieutenant***


***Carries spontoon: symbol of rank and a signaling device


1 Ensign****
Regimental Colours

6 NCOs (3 sergeants & 3 corporals)




56 Privates



1 Drummer



1 Fifer


**** Ensign:

Equivalent to a 2nd Lt.
Carries the colours of the regiment (An ensign or flag)
2 colours: King’s (Sovereign’s) (see figure below)
Regimental (see figure above)
(King’s Colours)


Additional members of a Regiment:

HQ Staff:

1 Colonel
1 Lt. Colonel
1 Major


Also:

1 chaplain
1 surgeon
1 surgeon’s mate
1 quartermaster



A Note on Grenadiers:


Grenadier companies were first added to the British Army in the late 1670s. Their members were selected from the tallest and strongest men in the regiment. They acted as a form of elite shock troops, Their distinctive “bishop’s” mitre caps were worn in place of the traditional tricorne to provide arm room for throwing grenades (hence the name “grenadier”). By the American War of Independence they were no longer throwing grenades.


Other(1754-1763) 1st Foot Grenadiers in the W. Britain Redcoats & Bluecoats series

Drum Major (for parades and other ceremonial use)





Pioneer (set up camp sites, cleared roads and paths for the troops to follow, carried large axes)
 
Ken or Richard I don't surpose you have a picture of the new 45th redcoats parading on mass that you could share with us do you? :rolleyes::rolleyes:
 
Craig

You can view the 45th items via the first entry on Britain catalgue 2009 thread. It's page 47.

My current display consists of 24 privates, four NCO's, two officers, one mounted officer, Regimental and King's colours, two pioneers. The band is four drummers, sixteen fifers and the drum major.

If we take Polar Bears numbers it would translate to 66 per company, or 660 per regiment. Not including the regimental staff. That would be a nice display.

Britains only produced the 1st Foot Guards in Grenadier company, so we are back to 66.

They did produce the 44th foot as Officer,Grenadier and Center company privates marching.

The new 45th are nice figures. I saw them in Detroit in January. But here are my observations. There are five sets. Four are four piece and one the mounted officer. The mounted officer is slightly different from the Guards. Two sets comprise four privates each of the Grenadier or Center company. I like this marketing if a price saving is there. These are again slightly different to the guards figure. Command set #1 is fine if you decide to have a small display. But if you want a band or additional pioneer then ????????????
Command set #2 looks good except that it really only provides officers for the centre company. But these are new poses.

As you first asked, how do you display. My first thought is that toy soldiers (I refer to the glossy) should be displayed in a reasonable number. All my pipe bands are twenty figures each, and brass bands are twenty seven or more. This is where your budget enters. If you can cast and create then the budget can be streached. Mind you, large displays require adequate room to be effective. The backdrops that are comming out will do wonders for this period.

I have complete my version of both the 1st Foot Guards and 27th Inniskilling. Just working on the 12th, 35th(Orange Lilies) and 36th. I have a goal but we will see if I can achieve it.

Have fun.

Don
 
Tinsoldier said:
Craig

You can view the 45th items via the first entry on Britain catalgue 2009 thread. It's page 47.

My current display consists of 24 privates, four NCO's, two officers, one mounted officer, Regimental and King's colours, two pioneers. The band is four drummers, sixteen fifers and the drum major.

If we take Polar Bears numbers it would translate to 66 per company, or 660 per regiment. Not including the regimental staff. That would be a nice display.

Britains only produced the 1st Foot Guards in Grenadier company, so we are back to 66.

They did produce the 44th foot as Officer,Grenadier and Center company privates marching.

The new 45th are nice figures. I saw them in Detroit in January. But here are my observations. There are five sets. Four are four piece and one the mounted officer. The mounted officer is slightly different from the Guards. Two sets comprise four privates each of the Grenadier or Center company. I like this marketing if a price saving is there. These are again slightly different to the guards figure. Command set #1 is fine if you decide to have a small display. But if you want a band or additional pioneer then ????????????
Command set #2 looks good except that it really only provides officers for the centre company. But these are new poses.

As you first asked, how do you display. My first thought is that toy soldiers (I refer to the glossy) should be displayed in a reasonable number. All my pipe bands are twenty figures each, and brass bands are twenty seven or more. This is where your budget enters. If you can cast and create then the budget can be streached. Mind you, large displays require adequate room to be effective. The backdrops that are comming out will do wonders for this period.

I have complete my version of both the 1st Foot Guards and 27th Inniskilling. Just working on the 12th, 35th(Orange Lilies) and 36th. I have a goal but we will see if I can achieve it.

Have fun.

Don
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WB did produce the OR of the Battalion or Center Co. but only as a WB club figure of which some collectors bought multiples. According to Ken Osen, the 1st Foot Guards did not have a Light Infantry co. Here is a photo from Ken showing the Center Co. figures (tricorne hat men). They did do hat men for the 2 ensigns (one seen here) however as part of the regular releases.

Hope this helps.
 

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Tinsoldier said:
Craig

You can view the 45th items via the first entry on Britain catalgue 2009 thread. It's page 47.

My current display consists of 24 privates, four NCO's, two officers, one mounted officer, Regimental and King's colours, two pioneers. The band is four drummers, sixteen fifers and the drum major.

If we take Polar Bears numbers it would translate to 66 per company, or 660 per regiment. Not including the regimental staff. That would be a nice display.

Britains only produced the 1st Foot Guards in Grenadier company, so we are back to 66.

They did produce the 44th foot as Officer,Grenadier and Center company privates marching.

The new 45th are nice figures. I saw them in Detroit in January. But here are my observations. There are five sets. Four are four piece and one the mounted officer. The mounted officer is slightly different from the Guards. Two sets comprise four privates each of the Grenadier or Center company. I like this marketing if a price saving is there. These are again slightly different to the guards figure. Command set #1 is fine if you decide to have a small display. But if you want a band or additional pioneer then ????????????
Command set #2 looks good except that it really only provides officers for the centre company. But these are new poses.

As you first asked, how do you display. My first thought is that toy soldiers (I refer to the glossy) should be displayed in a reasonable number. All my pipe bands are twenty figures each, and brass bands are twenty seven or more. This is where your budget enters. If you can cast and create then the budget can be streached. Mind you, large displays require adequate room to be effective. The backdrops that are comming out will do wonders for this period.

I have complete my version of both the 1st Foot Guards and 27th Inniskilling. Just working on the 12th, 35th(Orange Lilies) and 36th. I have a goal but we will see if I can achieve it.

Have fun.

Don
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Thanks for your input its a great help i would love to see a picture of your compleated set?
I have the same thoughts about the 45th sets if you want to make a bigger band what do you do & will you be able to buy a grenadier officer & grenadier NCO later down the line???? I sure hope so!!!!! :)
 
Here in lies the dilema that the manufacturers and retailers must make important economic decisions. I forgot that Britain's did produce the centre company as a club figure, but that was when I was not interested in this period. But note that there is no standing officer for the centre company.

I am not positive if the 45th Centre company figure is the same as the club figure, but very close.

This is were the terms Limited Edition and Price Breakpoint become confusing. I was never a fond believer in Limited Editions. If it is a good product priced appropriately then it will sell, and be available to collectors for year to come. If the production run sells out, then a decision to release more can be made without compromising. This also allows new collectors to enter the hobby and build up a similar display. Limited introduces the element of speculation. We can see that by the various prices, some very low, of previous sets. Toys are for boys, speculation is for men, and I reside in never-never land.

Britain's quantities must be based on production costs, capacity and market anticipation. It will be interesting to see if some retailers end up with some stock that they may sell as individuals. Other retailers indicate that they will only order with prior commitment/payment.

I am fortunate that I can cast and paint to produce the displays I like. Swap a head or arm and you have a new figure.

Don
 
Very nice Don, the glossies look great en-masse :D I like how you have repainted some of the petticoat series as well. Very nicely done.
 
Very impressive collection so how did you make the inniskillings ? they look perfect replica of britains redcoats!!!
 
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