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noli-poli

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I have 2 HonorBound Sherman (E1) that I plan to have re-painted with E8 colors "Alamein" to go with My Figarti "Monty." The question is did the E8 Shermans carried the 76mm barrel or a combo of 75mm and 76mm barrels? Also, did they fight side by side with the Grants?
Thanks experts.

Noli-Poli
 
I have 2 HonorBound Sherman (E1) that I plan to have re-painted with E8 colors "Alamein" to go with My Figarti "Monty." The question is did the E8 Shermans carried the 76mm barrel or a combo of 75mm and 76mm barrels? Also, did they fight side by side with the Grants?
Thanks experts.

Noli-Poli

Calling binder001 aka the "SHERMAN EXPERT 10."
 
The Shermans at El Alamein were a mixed batch of M4A1 (cast hull with radial gasoline engine) and M4A2 (welded hull with twin GM diesel engines). The M4A1 was much more common.

Now the BAD news - none of the Honour Bound Shermans are right for that time and place! The M4A1 with 76mm gun was not introduced to combat until late July, 1944. The last M4A1 (the nice premium edition one) represent a rebuilt vehicle with late features. All of the M4A1s at El Alamein were very early production vehicles that had the following features; early 3-piece transmission cover, early gun mount with narrow shield, direct vision slots for the driver, early pattern ("M3-type") suspension bogies, rubber block track.

The closest model in 1:30 scale to an early M4A1 is the King and Country "classic Sherman" DD093 has 90% of the correct features - for some reason Andy went with the later cast transmission cover and chevron tracks.
Other details, I don't believe that DD093 has the direct vision slots and the co-axial MG has the small shield that was added around 1943. The K&C vehicle COULD be modified (a lot of grinding to change that transmission cover!) or one could just use it "as is" until a correct Eighth Army Sherman comes out.

Sorry to rain on the parade - the HB M4A1s are VERY nice to use for the European campaign (and possible late Italy) but they represent later editions of the Sherman. The tanks in the desert were fairly new (the Sherman had only started production about six months before the combat at Alamein).

Please let me know if I can help with anything else. I am the resident "Shermanoholic".

Gary B
 
I also didn't answer part of the last question - YES the Shermans did serve in several units that had mixed batches of Shermans, Grants, and Crusader III types. I don't have the numbers right here at work but I remember a web site and a book that gave the breakdowns of tanks available to the Eighth Army for the Alamein battles.

Since I can't afford 1/30th scale desert forces I am building mine in 1/32nd scale. I will be using the old Monogram M4A1 and M3 "Grant" kits, displayed together with Airfix Multipose infantry. That's why I had the research already at hand for the features of an Eighth Army M4A1.

Gary
 
The Shermans at El Alamein were a mixed batch of M4A1 (cast hull with radial gasoline engine) and M4A2 (welded hull with twin GM diesel engines). The M4A1 was much more common.

Now the BAD news - none of the Honour Bound Shermans are right for that time and place! The M4A1 with 76mm gun was not introduced to combat until late July, 1944. The last M4A1 (the nice premium edition one) represent a rebuilt vehicle with late features. All of the M4A1s at El Alamein were very early production vehicles that had the following features; early 3-piece transmission cover, early gun mount with narrow shield, direct vision slots for the driver, early pattern ("M3-type") suspension bogies, rubber block track.

The closest model in 1:30 scale to an early M4A1 is the King and Country "classic Sherman" DD093 has 90% of the correct features - for some reason Andy went with the later cast transmission cover and chevron tracks.
Other details, I don't believe that DD093 has the direct vision slots and the co-axial MG has the small shield that was added around 1943. The K&C vehicle COULD be modified (a lot of grinding to change that transmission cover!) or one could just use it "as is" until a correct Eighth Army Sherman comes out.

Sorry to rain on the parade - the HB M4A1s are VERY nice to use for the European campaign (and possible late Italy) but they represent later editions of the Sherman. The tanks in the desert were fairly new (the Sherman had only started production about six months before the combat at Alamein).

Please let me know if I can help with anything else. I am the resident "Shermanoholic".

Gary B

Gary:

Thanks for the info. I guess I'll just have to wait for the right Sherman. At least for now my E8 Brits will have to settle with the Grants (I got Monty and 2 Cambrai) and the Stuarts, all Figarti's.

N-P
 

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