Fall of the Roman Empire (1 Viewer)

[Horus]

Scene from the film "The Fall of the Roman Empire". Where Alec Guinness as the Emperor Marcus Aurelius warms himself at a Brazier at dawn.

Wall Section from K&C's Roman Fort.
Del Prado Emperor, Brazier homemade. Backdrop Internet.

Steve

 

[katana]

The wall would look more realistic with a 40mm figure. A figure should look between the Merlons ,not over them IMO.

 

[Horus]

The wall would look more realistic with a 40mm figure. A figure should look between the Merlons ,not over them IMO.

The original height of Hadrian's Wall, Forts and Towers aren't known for certain and are all postulations based on what still exists such as the width of foundations since none still exist to more than a few feet due to the centuries of stone robbing as well as natural subsidence etc. It's not even known whether there was a walk way along the wall itself.
On K&C's version there is also the duckboard, which would alter the height difference.

At the end of the day Kat, you're happy with the version you made for yourself whilst I like what K&C have made.

Steve

 

[Larry Allen]

Always interesting to witness the debate between that which is historically accurate ... and that which is artistically pleasing. Sometimes it might be possible to do both, but from observations on this forum, other forums and modeling websites, that is not often the case. :rolleyes2:

If you take a "absolute" view of the finished dioramas and photos, then I doubt that any diorama is truly 100% historically accurate. The further back in time, obviously the accuracy details are less known nor can they be confirmed.

For my personal choice, I mostly want to have FUN but do try to be accurate (within reason). However in all cases I will ALWAYS chose the artistic presentation which highlights the toy soldiers over details that detract from the scene (or story).

In this particular example, since the goal is to view K&C's wonderful Roman figures and to tell a story, the "accurate" height of the Merlons seems relatively unimportant. Once again that is simply my choice. The picture and the conveyed imagery, would be lessened with large Merlons blocking the background and over powering the figure.

Great job. Steve.

--- LaRRy

 

[katana]

The Aurelian walls of Rome and the Theodosian walls of Constantinople are still extant and in both fortifications the Merlons exceed the height of a man. Two excellent books on Roman fortifications are in the Osprey Fortress series; Fortress 25 The Walls of Constantinople and Fortress 71 The Walls of Rome. The excellent photographs and illustrations in these books give a great overview of Roman Fortifications from the third to the fifth century CE.

 

[Horus]

The Aurelian walls of Rome and the Theodosian walls of Constantinople are still extant and in both fortifications the Merlons exceed the height of a man. Two excellent books on Roman fortifications are in the Osprey Fortress series; Fortress 25 The Walls of Constantinople and Fortress 71 The Walls of Rome. The excellent photographs and illustrations in these books give a great overview of Roman Fortifications from the third to the fifth century CE.

Yes, I've seen both first hand and they certainly do and if you see the small wall section I had a go at making myself in the SPQR Britannia thread in the Diorama section you'll see I chose to have such Merlons.

Still you don't like the K&C ones Kat as they don't meet up with your specifications. Remember this was a preindustrial world and measurements for the same basic item will vary whether it's the height of a wall or the differences in Pilum designs.

As I said earlier if it were possible to take away the wooden walkway, so that the figures feet were on the actual modelled stonework then you would probably be quite happy.

Remember they for Toy Soldiers, Miniatures and not exact replicas. Try to in the words of Clint Eastwood in Heartbreak Ridge. Improvise, Adapt, Overcome !

Steve

 

[Horus]

Always interesting to witness the debate between that which is historically accurate ... and that which is artistically pleasing. Sometimes it might be possible to do both, but from observations on this forum, other forums and modeling websites, that is not often the case. :rolleyes2:

If you take a "absolute" view of the finished dioramas and photos, then I doubt that any diorama is truly 100% historically accurate. The further back in time, obviously the accuracy details are less known nor can they be confirmed.

For my personal choice, I mostly want to have FUN but do try to be accurate (within reason). However in all cases I will ALWAYS chose the artistic presentation which highlights the toy soldiers over details that detract from the scene (or story).

In this particular example, since the goal is to view K&C's wonderful Roman figures and to tell a story, the "accurate" height of the Merlons seems relatively unimportant. Once again that is simply my choice. The picture and the conveyed imagery, would be lessened with large Merlons blocking the background and over powering the figure.

Great job. Steve.

--- LaRRy

Thanks Larry ! And agree if something fits.
I won't fault someone's diorama of say a US Marine landing on Tarawa because say they're using an LVT 4 instead of a 1 or 2 or there's not enough BAR's in the Squad.

Apart from not all models being available all the time and lots that we would like to see not being made for one reason or another, in roughly the correct scale to make it believable etc there is also for most of us some sort of budget.

Steve

Oh and it's the flavour of the scene that I was trying to capture Kat which I hope you enjoyed. :salute::