Figarti website: Tigers and Crews are now listed (1 Viewer)

My understanding (and Steven keep me honest) is that the Tigers already have their own crews within the tank itself. The separate Tiger Tank Crews available for $79 each can be used to dress up any other 1/32 Tiger tanks (Britians, FOV, etc.) you might own.

Carlos
 
Great looking tanks and i'm sure the price reflects the quality and workmanship but it's out of my price range unfortunately.
 
desk11desk12 said:
My understanding (and Steven keep me honest) is that the Tigers already have their own crews within the tank itself. The separate Tiger Tank Crews available for $79 each can be used to dress up any other 1/32 Tiger tanks (Britians, FOV, etc.) you might own.

Carlos
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That is not apparent from the website, but hopefully it is true.
 
Combat,

My understanding of the Tiger Tank's additional crews parallels the information provided by Carlos. The Tiger comes complete with one crew. The additional crews can be used in a variety of interesting applications.

Warmest personal regards,

Pat
 
wadepat said:
Combat,

My understanding of the Tiger Tank's additional crews parallels the information provided by Carlos. The Tiger comes complete with one crew. The additional crews can be used in a variety of interesting applications.

Warmest personal regards,

Pat
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Thanks Pat. That might lead one to ask why they don't display the crew that comes with each tank or why anyone would want two crews for one tank, but I am consistently amazed at how difficult some folks make it to give them your money. Compared to the product, the Figarti site looks like something a high school kid put together in his spare time.
 
I had an interesting conversation with a dealer friend of mine the other day. I hesitate to name the dealer out of respect for our friendship so I will use the name Eddie.

Our conversation revolved around the idea of what are the real benefits in attending a show. Eddie has some interesting views about that subject. However, one of the points of this posting is something that we discussed about the Figarti Tigers. While Eddie admired the model (as I have done throught the pictures), one of his concerns was pricing. The trend for better quality and realism is great, but is the pricing system on a faster track than is the quality and realism. $299 for a tank is three times what we are used to paying (in round numbers) for a K&C tank. That means three times less models can be purchased. Is that pricing some of us out of the hobby was his question of me. I would tend to say yes but I don't know how much. It will most certainly make my purchasing decisions much more difficult.:(

Some forum members, me included, have been asking for more realistic treads. This has had an impact, at least we think it has. The Honour Bound models come in four major sections (body, turret, and treads) three of which are glued together (the treads and the body). This glueing has inheritant problems in that it makes the joining point much more likely to fail. Eddie has received several broken at the body and tread point models. K&C may have some cluttered treads, but they are made as one piece. There is no joining point and therefore there is less risk of breakage.

The last point of our discussion was displaying the Figarti tiger. At $299 per version, how in the world do you allow someone to get a good look at the thing without letting them handle it and risk damage. Sure you could display it with the turret or the body top off and have a mirror positioned over the open tank body, but we did not believe that method of viewing would give the viewer a good "feel" or understanding of how the model is constructed and the many parts it contains. It's hard to resist handling such a wonderful model and looking at it for a long period of time, repeatedly. Again, handling it seems to be the best way of viewing the thing and that's dangerous when I have anything that valuable in my big goofy hands.:)
 
desk11desk12 said:
My understanding (and Steven keep me honest) is that the Tigers already have their own crews within the tank itself. The separate Tiger Tank Crews available for $79 each can be used to dress up any other 1/32 Tiger tanks (Britians, FOV, etc.) you might own.
Carlos
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For the $299 list price, a Figarti Tiger Tank will come with five crew members manning their positions, four glued and one (the commander) movable. While the pictures on Figarti's website are of the prototypes, I understand Figarti will redo the crew of the winter camouflage Tiger so that they are wearing winter camouflage uniforms.

The four additional crew sets at $79 per set are intended to add flexibility. If you display the Tiger without the interior showing, you can use these additional crew sets to add to your display. In addition, since they are the same 1/32 scale as FOV and 21st Century, these additional crew sets can also be used with these vehicles.:)
 
A set of five figures is usually $100 so that leaves the Tiger at around $200. :)
 
I haven't had the pleasure of seeing this tank yet in person but I have seen the pictures and have had discussions with a few people about it.

That being said, this is a revolutionary concept in making tanks/armor and may be the wave of the future. You know that King and Country and Honour Bound are thinking about this development. Although $300 may seem expensive, as Alex notes, you are getting a crew, and, most importantly, you are getting a tank that is very complicated to make with many different moving pieces, and much more complicated than has been made before. Since it is so complicated, it only makes sense that it will be more expensive than your normal tank.

Although not everybody can afford this, $300 is not an outlandish figure. Moreover, I doubt that, because of its complexity, it is yielding a very large profit margin for Figarti.
 
Well, my point was more that it is impossible to tell exactly what you are getting for $300 from their webpage. Not so much that $300 is too expensive. I do think it is interesting that when I started collecting KC a couple of years ago - when there wasn't much competition - that prices were in the $100 range. Now, with more competition, prices have increased as the quality race goes on. Not sure if that is good or bad for collectors. Maybe both.
 
Yes, it is very interesting how prices have gone up as competition has increased. Doesn't classic economic theory teach the opposite?

I haven't able to access their website too well but I think generally most people probably look at their dealer's website more so than the manufacturer's website.
 
As fas as the question of whether our complaints concerning realism, particularly with regard to tracks, have had an effect, I think you need only look as far as the excellent Figarti armored vehicles, with individually linked metal tracks, the new Honour Bound Panther & Bergepanther's tracks and K&C's change to the open tracks, to see that we have had an impact.

As far as the cost of the Figarti Tigers, they do come with five crewman, and the cost reflects that, and the other Figarti armored vehicles, such as the excellent new Amtrak, are less than $150. Additionally, Rick indicated this vehicle was the first of Figarti's "Masterpiece Series" and its expense is far greater than that of the ordinary Figarti vehicle (not unlike the premium paid for K&C "strictly limited" vehicles. I don't think anyone will be priced out of the hobby, even if they can't get every vehicle.
 
jazzeum said:
I haven't had the pleasure of seeing this tank yet in person but I have seen the pictures and have had discussions with a few people about it.

That being said, this is a revolutionary concept in making tanks/armor and may be the wave of the future. You know that King and Country and Honour Bound are thinking about this development. Although $300 may seem expensive, as Alex notes, you are getting a crew, and, most importantly, you are getting a tank that is very complicated to make with many different moving pieces, and much more complicated than has been made before. Since it is so complicated, it only makes sense that it will be more expensive than your normal tank.

Although not everybody can afford this, $300 is not an outlandish figure. Moreover, I doubt that, because of its complexity, it is yielding a very large profit margin for Figarti.
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Jazzeum,

I agree with you. This is part of a new line of products called the "Masterpiece Collection" which has a limited production line (up to 1000 for all 5 models) and probably isn't intended to have broad market appeal due to the required up front investment.

Therefore (IMO) it is meant to attract the collector that is willing to invest an incremental amount over and above the KC or HB tank. Frankly, the Tiger tank didn’t look to brittle and may actually experience fewer breakage issues than their new figures (e.g. rifle straps) but the secret will be packaging. I took home from Chicago the new LVT without any quality issues and I just love it!

Figarti (IMO) is committed to the 1/32 market but is trying to attract “crossover business” from the 1/30 and yes, 1/35 the high quality collector. Crossover business by its very nature is small but they may be able to draw in more collectors into the 1/32 scale due to the perceived "model" quality experience usually associated with the 1/35 market. If they pull this off in the long run, it will be healthy for the toy soldier industry. Again, IMO.

The challenge for Figarti is to produce the high quality product that 1/35 enthusiast demands without the breakage issues usually experienced in that scale. Breakage causes increase cost per unit, outraged collectors and disappointed dealers. However, I look forward to seeing how events unfold with their new “Masterpiece Collection” line of business and how they overcome these market challenges and thieve.

Carlos
 
Gentle Friends,

I would like to add a reminder to this discussion. During Rick's presentation at OTSN, he frequently indicated that due to the many parts involved in the construction of the final model, the tank will be very, very fragile. While discussing the merits, potential problems, and cost of this tank, one should also factor in the fact that it must be handled with great care. Perhaps the fragile nature of this tank should also be considered before making the $300 investment required to obtain the tank.

Warmest personal regards,

Pat
 
Cheers Louis:

Per chance did you acquire Figarti's P-40 Warhawks? If not, have you seen them in person? Trying to decide if their is room at my airfield & how they match up as I assume they are more true to 1/32 scale? Thanks in advance for your time.

Beaufighter OUT
 
Beaufighter,

I have purchased one of the Figarti P40's (but it hasn't arrived yet). I have seen and handled them in person, and they are very nice. I would recommend picking up one of the special edition signed ones.

Regards,

Louis
 
I see that this is listed on Treefrog for November release. I thought this was supposed to be a December release.
 
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