Florida Movie Theater Shooting (2 Viewers)

Terrible story. That old guy should watch his next movie on death row. Like Clint Eastwood's character said in Gran Torino though - sometimes you mess with the wrong guy. I'm amazed how often people get into confrontations over trivial matters. Someone cuts you off in traffic, let it go. Easier said than done, but there is no reason to get shot by some nut having a bad day.
 
Combat said:
Terrible story. That old guy should watch his next movie on death row. Like Clint Eastwood's character said in Gran Torino though - sometimes you mess with the wrong guy. I'm amazed how often people get into confrontations over trivial matters. Someone cuts you off in traffic, let it go. Easier said than done, but there is no reason to get shot by some nut having a bad day.
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mikemiller1955 said:
Good lord...that's just crazy...
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It is horrible. People are losing their lives lately trying to go see a movie or children attend school.
 
Remember the Zimmermam, Martin case in Florida? The defense will be "stand your ground". That is the law in Florida. Age 70 something subject threatened by healthy 40 year old.
Please moderators let us have an intelligent discussion here.
Gary
 
Well, as bad as they are they really should not worry folk too much. You have a far better chance of getting killed being electrocuted by a household appliance, choking on your steak, falling down the stairs, being stung by an insect etc etc.
 
I am not sure having popcorn thrown at you falls into this category (below is the Florida Statute as of December 2013):

776.012 Use of force in defense of person.—A person is justified in using force, except deadly force, against another when and to the extent that the person reasonably believes that such conduct is necessary to defend himself or herself or another against the other’s imminent use of unlawful force. However, a person is justified in the use of deadly force and does not have a duty to retreat if:
(1) He or she reasonably believes that such force is necessary to prevent imminent death or great bodily harm to himself or herself or another or to prevent the imminent commission of a forcible felony;
 
Again, I,m not defending the shooter, but wether a punch was thrown or not, I believe the victim did not simply pour the popcorn on the shooters head, that there was more agressive words or actions that resulted in the shooter to reach in his pocket, remove the pistol and shoot.
I,m old school in that I don,t even know how to text, having said that, I have seen my wife text and what puzzels me texting is not disruptive, correct? I don,t understand why the shooter got so upset. Also he did go to management of the theatre to try to rectify the problem, if there was one, prior to the final confrontation. What happened there?
Gary
 
lancer said:
Must have been buttered.:wink2: -- Al
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Beat me to it Al; folks are watching their cholesterol these days, so having someone throw buttered popcorn would put a lot of people over the edge.

Well there goes my "IMO, military, ex military, law enforcement and ex law enforcement should be the only ones to carry" argument.
 
gk5717 said:
Again, I,m not defending the shooter, but wether a punch was thrown or not, I believe the victim did not simply pour the popcorn on the shooters head, that there was more agressive words or actions that resulted in the shooter to reach in his pocket, remove the pistol and shoot.
I,m old school in that I don,t even know how to text, having said that, I have seen my wife text and what puzzels me texting is not disruptive, correct? I don,t understand why the shooter got so upset. Also he did go to management of the theatre to try to rectify the problem, if there was one, prior to the final confrontation. What happened there?
Gary
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The shooting victim was most likely right in front on the shooter. The cell phone gave off a light glare which the retiree must have deemed "unbearable" for what ever reason.
Keeping in mind this was going on during the "Previews". Allegedly the shooter first went to the movie theater manager and complained. The manager should have
investigated the situation and intervened but since it was too much trouble for him, we have the end result that occurred.
 
gk5717 said:
Again, I,m not defending the shooter, but wether a punch was thrown or not, I believe the victim did not simply pour the popcorn on the shooters head, that there was more agressive words or actions that resulted in the shooter to reach in his pocket, remove the pistol and shoot.
I,m old school in that I don,t even know how to text, having said that, I have seen my wife text and what puzzels me texting is not disruptive, correct? I don,t understand why the shooter got so upset. Also he did go to management of the theatre to try to rectify the problem, if there was one, prior to the final confrontation. What happened there?
Gary
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Tough to figure this one. I don't know how to text either, but it is not disruptive. The theatre has a posted 'no cellphones' regulation, so maybe the shooter was just really irritated by someone flaunting the rules and just being selfish. Some people feel that they have the right, or responsibility, to enforce rules on others. Seen it many times. But this is such a minor infraction of a voluntary guideline that something else had to be in play here. Perhaps the shooter got no satisfaction from management as it was during the previews and not the actual film. Will be interesting to see how this develops. -- Al
 
Some people get irritated by the constant use of cell phones. It's a pet peeve. I'm one of them. I'll never understand why people constantly need to be on them. Who are they talking too? That's not an excuse to shoot someone though. And if there was butter involved, this guy better save it for his toast because that is what he is. At his age, his movie going days are over even if he receives a manslaughter conviction instead of murder.
 
Combat said:
Some people get irritated by the constant use of cell phones. It's a pet peeve. I'm one of them. I'll never understand why people constantly need to be on them. Who are they talking too?
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Well call me a "Get off my lawn" guy, but this is where I stand as well, the use of cell phones has gotten so far out of hand in this country, it's incredible. We're raising an entire generation of people who don't have the ability to communicate face to face, it's texting/tweeting/calling/emailing/facebooking/twitter, you name it, their doing it.

Just about every state I travel to back and forth through on the way to shows has banned hand held cellphone use and texting, yet I still get behind some moron who's chatting away on the phone, not paying attention and drifting all over the highway, soon to become a hood ornament on a semi, or worse yet, killing someone else and walking away without a scratch...................
 
Yep, call me a dinosaur, as well. I have no use for cell phones (don't own one), and I really have no use for someone using it while driving, as driving is an activity most people find challenging even when not distracted. Driving and causing an accident while on the phone or drunk is the same thing to me, a crime. As for the communication aspect, things have really gone down the toilet now that many schools no longer teach cursive handwriting. I guess the burning of books and other printed materials is next on the agenda as these are obviously outmoded forms of communication/education.:rolleyes2: -- Al
 
Previews or not, the victim was in a public place. When the shooter asked the victim to put his phone away, the victim should have apologized and put his phone away. Instead he probably mouthed off. I'm guessing the shooter couldn't find the manager. However, absolutely no reason to shoot the guy. Popcorn or not. People have no manners and common sense. I live in a relatively small town and I'm amazed that people just walk onto the crosswalk without even looking for traffic, as if they have a protective shield that would prevent them from getting hit by a car.
 
Great discussion going here.

Let me preface this statement by saying that I do not condone what the shooter did. However, this story should serve as a warning. The world has changed. It used to be you got into an altercation over something trivial and some words would be exchanged, perhaps an insult or two. Over time those same incidents resulted in a punch being thrown. Now? You argue with someone about texting and you can get shot. In other words, over time we as a society have gone from hostilities that resulted in hurt feelings to inconsequential confrontations that result in death.

Dislike these developments all you want, but ignore them at your peril. Just walk away it is simply not worth it.
 
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