Fokker dvii with pyschodelic camo (1 Viewer)

[HAWKEYE]

I really didn't know what to call that late war german camo pattern with the 5 sides shapes. I think it is called a four color lozenge fab
ric, but whatever it is ,, how cool would making a fokker dvii with that pattern be. And can you imagine how fast they would sell out? Would any of my fellow treefrog mates be a buyer on one?

 

[lancer]

I really didn't know what to call that late war german camo pattern with the 5 sides shapes. I think it is called a four color lozenge fab
ric, but whatever it is ,, how cool would making a fokker dvii with that pattern be. And can you imagine how fast they would sell out? Would any of my fellow treefrog mates be a buyer on one?

They would sell like hotcakes, I'm sure. The pattern you speak of came in two types, the 4 color and 5 color patterns. These patterns have proven to be very difficult for the manufacturers to replicate, for several reasons. The patterns are much too complicated and labor intensive to be applied by hand and the patterns have proven too difficult to be made as decals because of various reasons, one of which is uneven and somewhat unpredictable shrinkage in the material used to make the aircraft, thus leaving decals unusable. The inability to find a viable solution to the lozenge camo problem has made the appearance of later war German aircraft problematic as almost all German aircraft used the lozenge camo to some extent or another. The Fokker D-VII is the prime example of this as virtually every D-VII made (with the exception of a few of the very first) were covered front to back, top to bottom, with some combination of the 4 and 5 color lozenge fabric, usually the 5 color on upper surfaces and the 4 color on the bottom surfaces. At any rate, without a solution to the lozenge camo problem by JJD or someone else, we are unlikely to see further D-VII's, or any other later war aircraft that require the lozenges, because of the historical accuracy aspect. John will not make inaccurate models. We can only hope for a solution to present itself. -- Al

 

[theBaron]

Re: Fokker D VII with lozenge pattern

...I think it is called a four color lozenge fab
ric...

Yeah, the pattern is generally referred to as lozenge camoflage.

What scale are the models? You might be able to use commercially-available decal sheets, made for scale models, to convert them.

Prost!
Brad

 

[lancer]

Re: Fokker D VII with lozenge pattern

Yeah, the pattern is generally referred to as lozenge camoflage.

What scale are the models? You might be able to use commercially-available decal sheets, made for scale models, to convert them.

Prost!
Brad

Brad, the models in question are the John Jenkins 1/30 scale WW1 aircraft. There are no commercially available lozenge camo decals for this scale. I am not aware of any 1/32 scale decals for this type of camo beyond what might come in one of the Wingnut Wings 1/32 scale kits. I know there are decals for 1/72 and 1/48 but these are way too small for any kind of conversion to 1/30. -- Al

 

[Larry Allen]

Re: Fokker D VII with lozenge pattern

Brad, the models in question are the John Jenkins 1/30 scale WW1 aircraft. There are no commercially available lozenge camo decals for this scale. I am not aware of any 1/32 scale decals for this type of camo beyond what might come in one of the Wingnut Wings 1/32 scale kits. I know there are decals for 1/72 and 1/48 but these are way too small for any kind of conversion to 1/30. -- Al

I have seen a "HOW-TO" paint a lozenge camo in the magazine ... Fine Scale Modeler. See www.finescale.com

Off hand I don't remember the year/issue but it has been addressed a few times in that publication. I seem to recall that it was not an easy process the results were often outstanding. Of course the person who was doing it could have been a master modeler. also???

If anyone has the courage to take a JJD plane (or any manufacture's plane) I applaud them and would love to see the results.
--- Larry

 

[lancer]

Re: Fokker D VII with lozenge pattern

I have seen a "HOW-TO" paint a lozenge camo in the magazine ... Fine Scale Modeler. See www.finescale.com

Off hand I don't remember the year/issue but it has been addressed a few times in that publication. I seem to recall that it was not an easy process the results were often outstanding. Of course the person who was doing it could have been a master modeler. also???

If anyone has the courage to take a JJD plane (or any manufacture's plane) I applaud them and would love to see the results.
--- Larry

Certainly, an individual with the courage to repaint one of JJD's planes would have an excellent starting point in the all-white Goering model, or one of the Albatros models, but it will be very time consuming and a one-of result. This is not a practical solution for JJD as the cost of hand painting the lozenge camo would result in a very expensive model. Maybe for an exclusive edition of 2 or 3 aircraft but certainly not for a general multi-hundred model release. Believe me, John has investigated the various possibilities. No practical solution at present. -- Al

 

[Larry Allen]

Re: Fokker D VII with lozenge pattern

Certainly, an individual with the courage to repaint one of JJD's planes would have an excellent starting point in the all-white Goering model, or one of the Albatros models, but it will be very time consuming and a one-of result. This is not a practical solution for JJD as the cost of hand painting the lozenge camo would result in a very expensive model. Maybe for an exclusive edition of 2 or 3 aircraft but certainly not for a general multi-hundred model release. Believe me, John has investigated the various possibilities. No practical solution at present. -- Al

Sorry Al, maybe I didn't say it correctly.

Absolutely, it would be very time consuming and a one-of result. That is why I meant (suggested) that ONLY an individual that owned a JJD plane and had the skill (along with the courage) to tackle a huge job like that would be the only recourse for someone who really HAD-TO-HAVE that plane in their collection.

You are very correct in stating .. "This is not a practical solution for JJD as the cost of hand painting the lozenge camo would result in a very expensive model." So, I agree that the no practical solution is at hand for the manufacturers and the "collector-only" type person.

Possibly a business opportunity for an expert painter here on the forum?? :rolleyes2:

 

[theBaron]

Re: Fokker D VII with lozenge pattern

Brad, the models in question are the John Jenkins 1/30 scale WW1 aircraft. There are no commercially available lozenge camo decals for this scale. I am not aware of any 1/32 scale decals for this type of camo beyond what might come in one of the Wingnut Wings 1/32 scale kits. I know there are decals for 1/72 and 1/48 but these are way too small for any kind of conversion to 1/30. -- Al

The ones from Wingnut Wings are what I had in mind, but you're right, they'd be a little smaller than to fit on a 1/30 kit.

Prost!
Brad

 

[HAWKEYE]

I guess i will keep on wishing, but you never know, there are a lot of creative people out there. Mr jenkins being one of them