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My latest WB Redcoat 44017
 

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thebritfarmer said:
Very nice Randy, you have the other release of this figure do you not?
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Scott
What release is that? There is 44015 that is not out yet--1815 Gordon private. The only other piper I have is the Crimean War 93rd Piper.

Randy
 
PolarBear said:
Scott
What release is that? There is 44015 that is not out yet--1815 Gordon private. The only other piper I have is the Crimean War 93rd Piper.

Randy
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That's the one is it not the same figure? I think you did a photo with Queen Victoria.
 
Wait wait wait!!! I thought only the drummers in the Gordons had yellow Tunics, the pipers had the scarlet uniform the same as their infantry companions?
 
Hi Nathan,
The piper of the 92nd was based on based on combination of period descriptions and a painting done by J. P. Fischer in 1814 in the Royal Collection. This includes the unusual chevron lacing on the sleeves, the reversed colours of the coatee and my own addition of the feathers to the undress hummel bonnet for the 100 days campaign.

Drummers and later the buglers and fifers of the flank companies were often the only official musicians listed on the establishment. The materials, special equipment and cost of their clothing was always listed separately on the returns for a unit on an annual basis.

A Warrant was drafted in 1747 stating that the drummers of the Royal Regiments were to wear the Royal Livery, red coats faced and lined with blue and the drummers of the other regiments were to wear coats of the regiments facing colour lined and faced with red. These regulations appeared in a printed version in 1751, and were supported by a series of paintings done by David Morier.
Additional regulations affected the dress in 1768, 1795 and 1811, and of course regulations post dating this figure.

With that said however, it was not unusual for additional musicians to be paid for by the Colonel, or officers of the regiment including special uniforms and instruments. This could include bands and even pipers in non Highland units and this can be seen in the paintings of the 25th Regiment of Foot in Minorca in the 1770s.

The 42nd Highland Regiment or Black Watch became a Royal Regiment after their service in North America at Ticondaroga. As a result the Royal Livery was worn by their Drummers and there is evidence to suggest that their pipers only wore ORs clothing without the special Royal lace for musicians. Highland drummers for non Royal regiments were to wear reversed colours and this is confirmed for the 78th in 1793. The inclusion of a piper in reversed colours for a non Royal regiment is supported by contemporary evidence for at least the 92nd. There may have been times when other highland units had their pipers in reversed clothing too, but evidence from these earlier periods is still surfacing.

I always try to find contemporary documentation to support the details on our miniature reconstructions. In some cases this is pretty straight forward, but in the earlier periods it can be sparse and incomplete. This can be frustrating at times but in the end it is best to look at the evidence available pre dating the period in question. Although sometimes useful, you must be careful when considering regulations, styles and even the mythology post dating the period being examined.

I hope this helps clear up any questions about our piper of the 92nd.
All the Best!
Ken Osen
 
Great display of knowledge Ken!!!I like very much when a soldier is well researched because one of my main reasons to buy a certain figure is the historical thoroughness of it..fortunately in this hobby of ours i noticed it's very rare to see an error from this point of view but sometime it occurs..and it is disappointing in the extreme.In these days ,reading about the Mutiny ,i took again the book Queen Victoria's Commanders by Barthorp edited by Osprey (i hope you'll have it),with beautiful plates by Douglas Anderson..and i was asking if you can revisit that period , with the regiments of the Sikh Wars and the Mutiny (the 53rd and 93rd with boat coats..) , for the Redcoats range..and thanks again for the informations!
 
great photo still havnt picked up my figure yet!!! won't be long till i do tho lol as this pic has made me want to go get it now :( lol
 
Ken & Ericka Osen/H&A Studio said:
Hi Nathan,
The piper of the 92nd was based on based on combination of period descriptions and a painting done by J. P. Fischer in 1814 in the Royal Collection. This includes the unusual chevron lacing on the sleeves, the reversed colours of the coatee and my own addition of the feathers to the undress hummel bonnet for the 100 days campaign.

Drummers and later the buglers and fifers of the flank companies were often the only official musicians listed on the establishment. The materials, special equipment and cost of their clothing was always listed separately on the returns for a unit on an annual basis.

A Warrant was drafted in 1747 stating that the drummers of the Royal Regiments were to wear the Royal Livery, red coats faced and lined with blue and the drummers of the other regiments were to wear coats of the regiments facing colour lined and faced with red. These regulations appeared in a printed version in 1751, and were supported by a series of paintings done by David Morier.
Additional regulations affected the dress in 1768, 1795 and 1811, and of course regulations post dating this figure.

With that said however, it was not unusual for additional musicians to be paid for by the Colonel, or officers of the regiment including special uniforms and instruments. This could include bands and even pipers in non Highland units and this can be seen in the paintings of the 25th Regiment of Foot in Minorca in the 1770s.

The 42nd Highland Regiment or Black Watch became a Royal Regiment after their service in North America at Ticondaroga. As a result the Royal Livery was worn by their Drummers and there is evidence to suggest that their pipers only wore ORs clothing without the special Royal lace for musicians. Highland drummers for non Royal regiments were to wear reversed colours and this is confirmed for the 78th in 1793. The inclusion of a piper in reversed colours for a non Royal regiment is supported by contemporary evidence for at least the 92nd. There may have been times when other highland units had their pipers in reversed clothing too, but evidence from these earlier periods is still surfacing.

I always try to find contemporary documentation to support the details on our miniature reconstructions. In some cases this is pretty straight forward, but in the earlier periods it can be sparse and incomplete. This can be frustrating at times but in the end it is best to look at the evidence available pre dating the period in question. Although sometimes useful, you must be careful when considering regulations, styles and even the mythology post dating the period being examined.

I hope this helps clear up any questions about our piper of the 92nd.
All the Best!
Ken Osen
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thanks for the bit of background information ken its nice to know that the figures are well researched
 
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