For John, what about Italian Troops WWI? (1 Viewer)

[cantinetozzo]

I know that John accept suggestions, and his WWI (and Knight of the skies) range is one of the most original of TS hobby..so, what about italian troops of WWI?

 

[Obee]

I know that John accept suggestions, and his WWI (and Knight of the skies) range is one of the most original of TS hobby..so, what about italian troops of WWI?

If John makes Italians, he will also need to have Austrians too, so the range can get even bigger

John

 

[lancer]

If I had to guess, I would think aircraft from either side is more likely than infantry and such. I wouldn't mind A/H heavy artillery and cavalry, though. -- Al

 

[ccdc11]

How about a Baracca plane? Italian ace and we can get that prancing horse.

 

[lancer]

If we could get John to do an aircraft of Francesco Baracca, the question becomes, which one would you want? Baracca flew many different aircraft like Nieuport 10's, 11's, 17's, and Spad 7's, possibly a 12, and at least 3 different 13's. If you are interested in an aircraft with his famous prancing horse insignia (which appeared somewhere in the Jan.1917 thru the April, 1917 time frame), the choices become the Nieuport 17, Spad 7, and Spad 13.
The case for a Nieuport 17 would be ease of manufacture, as John has done Nieuport 17's in the past. Baracca's N-17 #2614 was rather plain, having an over all silver finish, no roundels, green and red wing bottoms, and the black horse on the fuselage sides and the rudder in Italian colors. Should be easy to do.
The case for the Spad 7, which Baracca scored 19 of his 34 victories in, is more difficult as John doesn't make one as of yet. There are several choices but they are all in the standard French yellow (tan) overall finish. Historically a very important plane, but a rather unexciting paint finish.
The case for the Spad 13 is a strong one. Baracca received the first Spad 13 in Italian service in September, 1917 (and it would remain the lone such example until Feb. 1918). This was an early Spad with rounded wingtips (like the JJD Guynemer Spad). It would be colored like the JJD Guynermer Spad in overall tan finish. This Spad, #7206, carried Italian roundels (red outer ring, white second ring, green center) on the fuselage and possibly the upper wings. The wing bottoms were green and red, as was Italian practice. Baracca scored 4 victories in this machine. There is no photograph showing that it carried the horse insignia, but it could have been added at a later time and not been photographed with it.
The later Spad 13 with the squared wingtips (such as the JJD Luke, Rickenbacker, and Madon models), also has a strong case for being modelled. It was delivered to Italy and received by Baracca's squadron in February, 1918. They were finished in the standard 5-color French camo schemes (again like the JJD Luke and Rickenbacker models). Baracca flew at least two of these, #'s 2445 and 2900. Spad #2445 had the prancing horse on the left side and possible the squadron insignia Griffin on the right side. It also carried the Italian roundel (red outer, white, green center) on both sides of the fuselage. It did not carry roundels anywhere else, the upper wings just being in camo finish. The underside of the wings were green and red standard finish. Baracca scored 2 victories in the Spad 13. This would be the most colorful and vividly marked version of a Baracca aircraft and would be the version that I would want.
As a matter of interest, Baracca flew Spad 7's or 13's on any given day. In fact, Baracca was KIA flying a Spad 7 #5382 on June 19, 1918.
-- Al

 

[Combat]

Something a little different but these Romanian WWII planes are interesting. John could convert a ME109 for that purpose.

https://weaponsandwarfare.com/2017/08/19/romanian-air-service-wwii-part-i/

 

[nysoldiers]

If John makes Italians, he will also need to have Austrians too, so the range can get even bigger

John

I would also like to see more WWI infantry such as Italians, Austrians and Russians. But first I would love to see some German infantry moving
up to the front, a machine gun team, artillery set, tank killers and some trench raiders. I don't, however, see any of these coming in the near
future. We'll just have to keep asking!

 

[ccdc11]

My first thought was the Spad 7. I did have a image in my head of it being mostly green at first with a yellow insignia, but lancers post and a refresh on google has corrected that.
John hasn't disappointed me yet as his selection so I didn't really care either way on the Nieuiports or Spad. Just thought if someone wants a Italian set, what better way to start than the number one Italian ace with that now famous logo.

 

[NZGary]

My first thought was the Spad 7. I did have a image in my head of it being mostly green at first with a yellow insignia, but lancers post and a refresh on google has corrected that.
John hasn't disappointed me yet as his selection so I didn't really care either way on the Nieuiports or Spad. Just thought if someone wants a Italian set, what better way to start than the number one Italian ace with that now famous logo.

I was fortunate to pick up the Thomas Gunn Spad with prancing horse. It's a lovely thing. Agree with Italian, Austrian and Russian infantry but in all honesty can't see it happening.

Gary

 

[Manila soldier]

Italian troops would be interesting as there is scope for dynamic animation as much about mountain climbing as standard ww1 trench warfare poses. Some of those trench lines were 3000m up, so wikipedia tells me.

Andrew
:salute::

 

[Obee]

Italian troops would be interesting as there is scope for dynamic animation as much about mountain climbing as standard ww1 trench warfare poses. Some of those trench lines were 3000m up, so wikipedia tells me.

Andrew
:salute::

Yes, fighting in the Alps....

here are a couple of Austrians that I painted, by Hecker & Goros



John

 

[Obee]

Oh, and 'What about Artillery??" I hear you all call ……



Austrian 32cm SKODA Morser 1916

Superior Models Inc. with Hecker & Goros gunners (modified)

John

 

[lancer]

I was fortunate to pick up the Thomas Gunn Spad with prancing horse. It's a lovely thing. Agree with Italian, Austrian and Russian infantry but in all honesty can't see it happening.

Gary

As I remember, those TGM Spad 7's were really nice. Would love to see JJD do the Spad 7 as it was in very widespread use and for along time. Lots of livery choices. The only problem, from a sales POV, is that it is very similar to the Spad 13 in size and appearance, although certainly not identical. -- Al

 

[Artillery_crazy]

I second you John....{sm4}{sm4}{sm4}
JJD already has the heavy Austrian Mortar....they can now offer us the garrions......I could even be tempted into getting a second Austrian Moster Mortar....{sm3}{sm3}{sm3}..the wife will kill me..
Cheers
Luiz

Oh, and 'What about Artillery??" I hear you all call ……

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Austrian 32cm SKODA Morser 1916

Superior Models Inc. with Hecker & Goros gunners (modified)

John

 

[cantinetozzo]

The parade of the 2nd June in Italy with historical uniforms. Here the "ferocious sardinians" (they are to Italy what Highlanders are to GB) of the "Sassari" Brigade. They are singing "Dimonios" (Devils) , their special hymn in sardinian language. In 1st WW a brigade in the Italian army was composed by two regiments of 3 batallions each. For example my uncle who died assaulting a trench in the Sixth Battle of the Isonzo River was in the "Abruzzi" Brigade, composed of 57th and 58th regts. Really hope that Andy will give a look at this and draw inspiration.. If not for a complete range at least for some club figure (a 57th regiment figure would be great!)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4D1cjRIZq-E

 

[giol]

The parade of the 2nd June in Italy with historical uniforms. Here the "ferocious sardinians" (they are to Italy what Highlanders are to GB) of the "Sassari" Brigade. They are singing "Dimonios" (Devils) , their special hymn in sardinian language. In 1st WW a brigade in the Italian army was composed by two regiments of 3 batallions each. For example my uncle who died assaulting a trench in the Sixth Battle of the Isonzo River was in the "Abruzzi" Brigade, composed of 57th and 58th regts. Really hope that Andy will give a look at this and draw inspiration.. If not for a complete range at least for some club figure (a 57th regiment figure would be great!)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4D1cjRIZq-E

BRAVO!!!!!!
La Brigt. Sassari è da brivido!!!!!
Gio

 

[cantinetozzo]

A nicely made vignette portraying a gassed or wounded officer of the 20th regiment Brigata Brescia of the Regio Esercito. In the other picture the "mostrine" or collar insignia of the existing brigades at the start of the war (the number was then nearly doubled with new colors). On the cap (or helmet cover as in this case) the soldier displayed the number of the regiment (two for each brigade , at the end of the war some brigades had 3 each), at the collar the colors of the brigade. My uncle displayed the green/black/green of the Brigata Abruzzi. It's interesting to note that the name of the brigade rarely corresponded with the recruitment place. The regiment recruits came from various depots around Italy. This measure was created after the unification to have people from all over Italy in one regiment. Only few brigades were recruited in only one region of Italy. For example my uncle's brigade was based in Padua (northern Italy) but recruited in Benevento, Caserta (district of my uncle), Siracusa, Messina, Napoli, Cosenza (southern Italy), Casale, Vercelli, Modena , Forlì (northern Italy), Chieti (center Italy). Bersaglieri and Alpini had completely different sets of collar insignia...