Genghis Khan-the greatest warrior of all (2 Viewers)

[Aleš]

Let's discuss about Genghis Khan.
What do we know about Genghis Khan,except he make the biggest empire in the World(or it was Alexander the great who have even bigger empire?) well both of them were quite of generals i think.
But still i think Genghis Khan was bigger soldier than Alexander i think.Alexander was more of the adventurer,discovere of the new world,but Genghis Khan was a brutal emperor that burn everything he lay his hands on.From a small mongolian band in the plains he conquer land from pacific to east Europe with his cavalry and sword,He defeat the Beijing,China,...he will defeat the Japan Samurais too if there were not a bad weather who save Japan,because Genghis Khan lost a lot of ships an dsoldiers in this bad weather.But he will counquer them for sure if they land it on Japan.
Why no one make a toysoldier figures of Genghis Khan?
I think he was never defeated in battle,the nature defeat him.
Do any on eknow how he die?
A disease or something?

 

[fishead19690]

I believe he died from a fall from his horse.

 

[Aleš]

I believe he died from a fall from his horse.

really?
What a stupid way to finish such a career
But the mongols were the best riders,so that mean that maybe before he fall from the horse he was hit by twenty arrows,an axe,spear,....and with his last power he still take down a few enemies and than fall from the horse?

 

[marco55]

Maybe.
Mark

 

[Spitfrnd]

really?
What a stupid way to finish such a career
But the mongols were the best riders,so that mean that maybe before he fall from the horse he was hit by twenty arrows,an axe,spear,....and with his last power he still take down a few enemies and than fall from the horse?

Actually it is not stupid at all and something that happens even to the very best of riders. Trust me, I know something of that.

 

[mikemiller1955]

I watched Mongul last night...Mongol (2007)

Play Preview In 12th-century Asia, an orphaned young slave named Temudjin (Tadanobu Asano) escapes from his captors' clutches and begins a journey that will lead him to become one of the greatest conquerors the world has ever known. Honglei Sun and Ying Bai co-star in this Academy Award-nominated epic from writer-director Sergei Bodrov, the first in a trilogy of adventure films relating the life story of Genghis Khan.

The cinematography and landscaping was soooooooo perfect...so very realistic...

Originally known as Temudgin, the young Khan was the son of a powerful warrior and part of a loving family and regional clan. He's somewhat of a prodigy as well. He spots his bride, Borte, at the age of nine, suffers the loss of his father from poisoning, and later endures a period of imprisonment and enslavement. Borte may have been a political marriage, but there is great love between them, but she waits for him, and grows to become his greatest supporter and advisor. Their love story is sharply contrasted against the bloody and epic battles that Khan would launch to unite and modernize the Mongolian people before he turned his attention to the rest of the known world. Mongol is physically stunning, well acted, and cleverly constructed to appeal to those who enjoy in-depth storytelling, romance, and bloody epics all rolled into one. Try to see it on the big screen as well; it's a wonderful work of art.

The battle scenes were epic and gory...the show is done in a foriegn dialect ...pehaps Mongolion...and is captioned in English...this is a very good movie...I will watch it again before returning it.

It was a 2008 Academy Award®: Best Foreign Language Film nominee.

 

[Aleš]

Actually it is not stupid at all and something that happens even to the very best of riders. Trust me, I know something of that.

well the Mongols are born on the horses,they live on the horses,they fight on the horses,....so he must be drunk or something that he fall from the horse

 

[Aleš]

I watched Mongul last night...Mongol (2007)

Play Preview In 12th-century Asia, an orphaned young slave named Temudjin (Tadanobu Asano) escapes from his captors' clutches and begins a journey that will lead him to become one of the greatest conquerors the world has ever known. Honglei Sun and Ying Bai co-star in this Academy Award-nominated epic from writer-director Sergei Bodrov, the first in a trilogy of adventure films relating the life story of Genghis Khan.

The cinematography and landscaping was soooooooo perfect...so very realistic...

Originally known as Temudgin, the young Khan was the son of a powerful warrior and part of a loving family and regional clan. He's somewhat of a prodigy as well. He spots his bride, Borte, at the age of nine, suffers the loss of his father from poisoning, and later endures a period of imprisonment and enslavement. Borte may have been a political marriage, but there is great love between them, but she waits for him, and grows to become his greatest supporter and advisor. Their love story is sharply contrasted against the bloody and epic battles that Khan would launch to unite and modernize the Mongolian people before he turned his attention to the rest of the known world. Mongol is physically stunning, well acted, and cleverly constructed to appeal to those who enjoy in-depth storytelling, romance, and bloody epics all rolled into one. Try to see it on the big screen as well; it's a wonderful work of art.

The battle scenes were epic and gory...the show is done in a foriegn dialect ...pehaps Mongolion...and is captioned in English...this is a very good movie...I will watch it again before returning it.

It was a 2008 Academy Award®: Best Foreign Language Film nominee.

i watch this movie and i do not like him.I didnt know that there is a trilogy?
But this Mongol i have very big expektations but it is not good.Genghis Khan is shown as a wimp,no action at all,more like a documentary,....
I hope there is some other American movies about Genghis Khan?
I think Ridley scoot,or Zwick,John Woo,Mel Gibson,...should make a movie about Genghis Khan.
Well i still have this movie inmy collection but i doubt i will watch this movie soon(or if ever)

 

[mikemiller1955]

i watch this movie and i do not like him.I didnt know that there is a trilogy?
But this Mongol i have very big expektations but it is not good.Genghis Khan is shown as a wimp,no action at all,more like a documentary,....
I hope there is some other American movies about Genghis Khan?
I think Ridley scoot,or Zwick,John Woo,Mel Gibson,...should make a movie about Genghis Khan.
Well i still have this movie inmy collection but i doubt i will watch this movie soon(or if ever)

Sorry it didn't suit you Ales...I still stand by my recommendation of this movie to anyone else...I saw Khan portrayed as ruthless in war, revenge and battle...he was not wimpy to me even as a 9 year old...the final battle scene was EPIC...LOTS OF ACTION WITH BLOOD FLYING EVERYWHERE...the skirmish scenes before were action packed...the movie was not a documentary...but was closed captioned...maybe we saw different movies...

ps...it did receive an Academy Award nomination by the way.

 

[Aleš]

Sorry it didn't suit you Ales...I still stand by my recommendation of this movie to anyone else...I saw Khan portrayed as ruthless in war, revenge and battle...he was not wimpy to me even as a 9 year old...the final battle scene was EPIC...LOTS OF ACTION WITH BLOOD FLYING EVERYWHERE...the skirmish scenes before were action packed...the movie was not a documentary...but was closed captioned...maybe we saw different movies...

ps...it did receive an Academy Award nomination by the way.

well did you watch all three parts?
Because i watch only Mongol,and i didnt know it is trilogy,so you watch other two parts too?
In this first part i watch it is just soooooooo boring,just a few people,and he look so helpless,this is bother me the most.
I was expekting a strong fearless warior but he was sort of clumsy.They steal his wife from him,than they put him to jail,....i mean come on,we are talking about Genghis Khan,one of the most greater ruler of all time and i watch him in prison,crying and wining about loosing his wife and yes i really get the feeling that his wife Borte was more brave than he is.
I think the director of this movie was unfair to the Genghis Khan fan,because instead of making an icon they show as like the Genghis khan is an ordinary sheperd

 

[mikemiller1955]

well did you watch all three parts?
Because i watch only Mongol,and i didnt know it is trilogy,so you watch other two parts too?
In this first part i watch it is just soooooooo boring,just a few people,and he look so helpless,this is bother me the most.
I was expekting a strong fearless warior but he was sort of clumsy.They steal his wife from him,than they put him to jail,....i mean come on,we are talking about Genghis Khan,one of the most greater ruler of all time and i watch him in prison,crying and wining about loosing his wife and yes i really get the feeling that his wife Borte was more brave than he is.
I think the director of this movie was unfair to the Genghis Khan fan,because instead of making an icon they show as like the Genghis khan is an ordinary sheperd

Maybe a better version would be if they just re-wrote the factual history in the movie and instead...had him raping and pillaging at age 9....they could just throw out the prison part and make the whole movie fiction...just riding around and killing everybody he saw for 2 hours...what do you think?

 

[Spitfrnd]

well the Mongols are born on the horses,they live on the horses,they fight on the horses,....so he must be drunk or something that he fall from the horse

Sorry mate, they are still two parts that do seperate unintentionally at times; being born Mongolian does not suspend the laws of physics, even if it does reach their outer limits.

 

[fmethorst]

I suspect the millions of victims of Genghis Khan and the Mongols don't have such a romanticized view.

 

[Aleš]

Well i never say Genghis Khan is romantic perosn.Yes he rape,he kill,he steal,he torture people,....and thsi is what i wannt to see in the movie,ACTION!
He didnt make his empire by crying,talking,...and in this movie they talk too much,i wannt to look two hours of action,of killing,spiling blood,...something like Braveheart,a lot of soldiers marching than fighting,...who cares about his age of 9,give us Genghis Khan as an emperor,not some poor and helpless sheperd

 

[binder001]

First, I don't claim to be an expert on the Mongols. They are recognized as some of the finest cavalry warriors ever. The gift of Genghis Khan was less about his personal combat but as an organizer and leader. If you want to see a personally blood thirsty barbarian I might suggest Atilla the Hun. One of the great qualities of the Mongols under the Khans is that they learned how to build on their strengths and pit their strengths against an enemy's weak spots. They have a ruthless reputation but were actually quite adept at absorbing their conquered peoples. They adopted some technology and techniques from their conquests. As occupiers they weren't too awful compared with other conqerors. The Mongols managed to build a great empire that lasted. Alexander conquered a lot of territory but the whole thing fell apart with his death. Genghis was as much a builder as a killer - obvously a complicated person. The Mongols were also really good at "psychological warfare" and "image". I find a strange admiration for the technique of burning one city to the ground and pillaging ruthlessly, then turning the survivors loose to tell the next town down the road what was coming if they didn't surrender. That encourages cooperation from the next few towns you come to!

I agree that it does seem ironic that Genghis died in a fall from a horse, but as stated before they can be surprisingly dangerous. I work in a trauma center and every year we get several people injured from falling off, or being kicked by, horses. Not uncommon to see a fractured pelvis with internal bleeding from those falls.

Genghis died from being thrown from a horse, but so was William the Conqueror (thrown against the saddle leading to internal injuries). Attilla died from a nose bleed (according to most accounts). Patton died from complications of injuries received when his car hit a GI truck after the war was over. Great warriors don't always get to die gloriously in battle.

Gary B.

 

[Spitfrnd]

......I agree that it does seem ironic that Genghis died in a fall from a horse, but as stated before they can be surprisingly dangerous. I work in a trauma center and every year we get several people injured from falling off, or being kicked by, horses. Not uncommon to see a fractured pelvis with internal bleeding from those falls.
......

All too common Gary. They are magnificent creatures that are capable of stunning intelligence, affection, loyalty and grace. They also weigh a ton or more (mine are around 1500lbs), can quickly accelerate to around 40 mph, have backs over 5ft tall, can jump over 7 ft in the air and have a very finely evolved prey response so the possibilities for serious injury while on or around them is no myth. I have a number of medical professionals that do well from my passion for them. But then you can die falling off a chair so......

 

[Currahee Chris]

I still hold Alexander the Great out as number 1. GK was awesome in his own right but the Boy Wonder was a man out of time applying natural military ability with generous diplomacy to his conquered.

Also on my short list- Caesar, Hannibal (and Scipio ), Miyamoto Musashi. Begrudingly, Napoleon.

 

[Aleš]

I still hold Alexander the Great out as number 1. GK was awesome in his own right but the Boy Wonder was a man out of time applying natural military ability with generous diplomacy to his conquered.

Also on my short list- Caesar, Hannibal (and Scipio ), Miyamoto Musashi. Begrudingly, Napoleon.

Hm well i do like Alexander myself but i think it was easyer for Alexander.He was rojalty,his father Filip already reform the phalangs in to the battle condition he use for winnings,...i think he was brave and everything but i think he just go and conquer,he already have an army.
But Genghis Khan,he was from a little vilage,his father was a little vilage chief,the Mongolia is a big country but they move all the time,there was vilages very far apart,...there were no telephone,no internet,....and he still manage to track down all the people and to build united all this chiefs in to one flag,...and when he did that it was only the start.Than he just go further and further.China,Japan,other Asian tribes,Russia,....
But maybe we do not know so much about him because he was from Asia,and the Mongol does not have librarys at that time,there move a lot,it is a big country,they still didnt find his grave,....so we do not know much about him,but we know more about the European rullers because they come from an advanced countrys that already have librarys,museums,galerys,...and the memory survive.
But i am sure when the Mongol army at that time start to attack with their cavalry they were unbeaten,because they can hit enemy from their horse,and i am sure this was a big advantage at that time.Imagine a wild hordes aproaching to you with full speed and with two swords,one in each hand,with bow and arrows,with the spear,....what kind of formations can hold that if they fight at the open?

 

[Spitfrnd]

....But i am sure when the Mongol army at that time start to attack with their cavalry they were unbeaten,because they can hit enemy from their horse,and i am sure this was a big advantage at that time.Imagine a wild hordes aproaching to you with full speed and with two swords,one in each hand,with bow and arrows,with the spear,....what kind of formations can hold that if they fight at the open?

Simply stated, a disciplined square, especially with long spears and archers, could hold. But there was more to the Great Khan's tactical genius than just attacking with a horde of cavalry.

 

[binder001]

Simply stated, a disciplined square, especially with long spears and archers, could hold. But there was more to the Great Khan's tactical genius than just attacking with a horde of cavalry.

I agree. For instance, you don't take a walled city with cavalry. I think Mongol military prowess in other areas is underrated. They took over China and other areas and blended their military forces into the "horde". The Mongols were proud of their nomadic horseman tradition and used that as their outward image but there was more to their operations and to their organization.

Gary B.