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OK, it's time that I try this painting thing

All I know that I have to do is by a casting. So, what else....
I have nothing at all. Let me know what I need re:
-brushes (types and size),
-what paints (I want to do glossy-Trophy like) and don't want to worry about mixing colors. I can change the hue, but don't want to have to create colors for now so need a pretty complete set of paints.
-Do i need some kind of filler putty?
-Thinner
-brush cleaner
-glue
- what do recommend for castings? Mainly looking for easy to paint civilian stuff for now
etc......when I say everything, I mean everything!

Thanks guy!
 
Pretty big question, Zach. I use acrylics . . . either from craft stores (e.g., Applebarrell or hobby stores (Modelmaster). Like them because they're water soluble and are forgiving. Brushes should be fairly good ones, size 03, 1, and 2. I've been using car putty for filling holes (can't remember the name) for 20 yrs without problems. Store keep cap down to reduce hardening in the tube. Use CA adhesive (Zap-A-Gap) or fast drying two-part epoxy to attach parts.
Stop by Harbor Freightor or MicroMart for some small metal tools for applying putty. X-acto knives and saw and assorted microfiles held with removing extra metal. Oh yes . . . some fine sand paper for smoothing out rough spots. Start small and add tools as you need them.

Bosun Al
 
I got some good advice Zach...
unless you plan on making it a hobby...
hire a professional to the them...^&grin

it's a lot cheaper and probably going to be a lot better than your first attempts...

unless you're a natural...^&grin
 
Thanks Al for the info


Trust me, I know it'll be cheaper and they'll look better, but I am looking for something to do with my time! Quit smoking and the days are too long now! hahaha
 
Well first 2 big sources for unpainted "toy soldiers", sold 35€/Kg
http://www.soldierssoldiers.com/

and http://www.johnedenstudios.com/
he also sell on line e-bay name roseminiatures change every 4 days, I have seen things like medieval banquet with walls, table, chair, plates and 12 participants, pigeon truck with staff WWI ...

I bought this from him, Xmass toyshop Victorian all metal 5 fig 54mm 50€ ( still have to paint it )
shop.jpg7

For the paints, glossy, they usualy use(d) glycérophtalique paints, usualy used for bathroom and kitchen
there are water based, solvent based or acrylic based . As in the past, toy soldiers were painted at home by peoples who had lost motricity, prewar, I guess water based paint

Now a very good medium is Humbrol, mat paint, then varnishing with satin Humbrol or gloss Humbrol, just try on a piece of metal to see if the result agree with you

Best
 
- what do recommend for castings? Mainly looking for easy to paint civilian stuff for now
etc......

Also have a look at Alexanders Toy Soldiers

http://www.ats-uk.net/

All of the figures depicted on the website are available as castings, and Nik has a great range of civilian, but if you can't see what you want, email him and ask.

He has a great mail order system too and I can highly recommend him along with ....

Giles Brown of Dorset Soldiers.

http://www.dorsetsoldiers.com/

More civilians come from Asset Miniatures so ask Anne Randall for help on civilians especially WW2 British

http://www.assetminiatures.co.uk/


John
 
Hi Zach,

Tons of good advice already but I will say that I mainly use testors paints with most of them already in glossy so I don't have to mess around with clear coat gloss. I do use acrylics sometimes for repairs because they are easier to mix and match especially with the Durbar colors I seem to always need to match due to damage in transit. But mainly I use the glossy paints. I use really good brushes and a big magnifying light so I can see the little details I am trying to paint. Its going to be an experiment at first to see what works for you but I am sure you will find a set of tools that work for you. Most of all have fun with it!

Dave
 
Zach , look on YouTube for some great figure painting videos. Dave Youngquist has a great series on painting a W Britain master figure .

The more detailed the casting the easier paint .



Give it a try and good luck
Regards
Kirk
 
OK, it's time that I try this painting thing

All I know that I have to do is by a casting.

As Vic (blaster) suggests, Tradition, Sarum and Dorset are all very good places to look. Since you're here in the States, and in particular, in Massachusetts, I'd start with Hobby Bunker to source them. I don't know if George Guerriero/Minuteman also has any kit figures or castings, but it's worth asking him. Another local source is Rich Dutkin/Dutkin's Collectables. He sells Tradition kits, among others (incl. Imrie-Risley). Or Ron Ruddell of London Bridge Collector's Toys. Ron is an authorized Britains dealer, including to sell replacement parts.

So, what else....
I have nothing at all. Let me know what I need re:
-brushes (types and size),

Invest in good natural fiber brushes. Sable are best, but you can get some other animal hair brushes, usually made in China. Again, ask at Hobby Bunker, but you could also look at an art supply store, like D - i - c - k Blick (getting around the nannyware). The arts & crafts stores (Michael's, AC Moore, HobbyLobby) carry good brushes, too, but they're designed for painters, so the shafts are too ling, or the tips aren't quite shaped right.

I use the finest points I can get, for most work-0/0, 5/0, 10/0.

Good brushes will cost more up front, but cared for properly, they will last a long time.


-what paints (I want to do glossy-Trophy like) and don't want to worry about mixing colors. I can change the hue, but don't want to have to create colors for now so need a pretty complete set of paints.

For gloss finishes, if you don't want to have to use a gloss coat, try Testor's enamels, in the little square glass jars. They are very good. You could also get Tamiya, Model Master, Polly S and Floquil (the latter three are all owned by Testor now, and I think Polly S or Floquil may have been discontinued).

You can also use acrylics, whether gloss or matte, though if you use matte, you will need to use a gloss coat to finish. As others mentioned, you can get by with craft store acrylics, like Apple Barrel or Americana. Look for those at Michael's (usually 40% off, and sometimes 85 cents a bottle), AC Moore or HobbyLobby (HL has regular sales and coupons you can print, usually for 40% off). Vallejo and Andrea are also good choices, used by figure painters, but they're more expensive. However, a little bottle goes a long way, and their finish is excellent. Tamiya acrylics are also very good. I have a mix of enamels and acrylics, as well as oils, in my Farbkastl.

-Do i need some kind of filler putty?

Yes. Many castings you find, even good quality castings, will have some seams or gaps, and you'll probably want to fill them. I recommend Milliput's basic grade, or Aves Apoxie Sculpt. Both are 2-part epoxy putties--you mix equal parts of a catalyst and a putty, then apply. You can also use those putties to sculpt, if you find that you want to try your hand at kitbashing (modifying a stock figure into something else).



Yes. Mineral spirits and even lacquer thinner, for enamels, isopropyl (90% solution) for acrylics. If you buy Tamiya paints, I strongly recommend buying Tamiya's own proprietary thinners to use with them. Anyone who has ever tried hand-brushing Tamiya paints can tell you, out of the jar, they clump, and when you apply a second coat, you can lift off the layer below. That's because they are formulated for airbrushing and are meant to be thinned. And in my own experience, I learned that Tamiya's own thinner works best on their paints, at least, on the acrylics. I have read of others using lacquer thinner with them, too, but that was for airbrushing.

For craft store acrylics, and Vallejo or Andrea, water is fine for thinning them for painting.

-brush cleaner

They all make a specific fluid called brush cleaner, but I pretty much use the thinner to clean my brushes. To clean the enamels, I use mineral spirits or lacquer thinner, and for acrylics, a dip in water or isopropyl. I will also use the automotive de-greaser Super Clean, to clean my brushes after using enamels.

I dip my brushes in the fluid, and gently press and roll the point as the paint dissolves. Then I drag the brush points across a piece of paper towel, holding the brush like a pencil and pulling it towards me, never pushing it away. This helps keep the point's shape. I repeat the dip and drag until the brush comes away clean. Then I shape the point and store the brush upright to dry. I will also sometimes rub my fingers on my nose to pick up skin oil, to coat and seal the bristles. I know of an Italian painter who uses olive oil for the same purpose. A little oil--a very little--helps condition and preserve the natural fibers. After all, they're hair.



For metal or resin castings, I recommend a 2-part epoxy glue. They are usually marked as to the setting and curing times, and I prefer something that sets in 5 to 10 minutes, to give myself time to make adjustments.

Cyanoacrylate glue (CA glue, or the brand Krazy Glue) will work, too, but epoxy bonds are stronger over time. Some CA glue joins can become brittle with time.

If the casting doesn't have lugs or pins to fit parts to the main body, I recommend investing in a pin vise and some small drill bits, and using bits of stiff wire to pin the joints. This makes a stronger joint, than the simple butt join of two flat surfaces.

For styrene figures, like Tamiya's kit figures, or Airfix's or Historex's white plastic kits, use a styrene glue, like Testor's in a tube, Plastruct's Weldene or Bondene, Tamiya's liquid cement. These glues actually melt the plastic to form the join, like a weld. Epoxy and resin do not.

You should also have some white glue around, like Elmer's. I wouldn't assemble a figure with it, but eventually you'll find a use for it.

- what do recommend for castings? Mainly looking for easy to paint civilian stuff for now
etc......when I say everything, I mean everything!

Thanks guy!

See Blaster's previous post, and my followup to his answer, about castings and sources. I also recommend looking online, eBay, for example, and going to shows and looking through vendors' bins of old figures. For civilian figures, look for the old Phoenix Model Developments line, some of which are available today from Forty-Third, Ltd and John Eden Studios. Imrie-Risley also has some civilian figures, but they're mostly specialty figures, like the series depicting Dickens characters or Sherlock Holmes. However, they can be used for your purposes, too.

As far as other tools go, get yourself a Nr 11 hobby knife handle and blades, whether X-Acto or some other brand, and also a Nr 2 handle and blades will be useful. I would also get a razor saw (most are made to fit the Nr handle), as well as some fine files, and a supply of fine-grade sandpaper, 100 grit to start. Steel wool is also good for polishing and smoothing seams.

Oh, and yes, get yourself an OptiVisor, or its Chinese knock-off equivalent.

Good luck in your new pursuit! As Ben Kenobi said, "You've taken your first steps into a larger universe."

Prost!
Brad
 
Oh, I forgot, if you use matte paints, and you want to end up with a gloss finish, get a bottle of Future floor polish. You should be able to find it at the grocery store, or WalMart, Target, etc. It's a liquid acrylic, and one bottle will last you forever. I apply it to figures with a brush, but I also use it in scale modeling, to dip clear parts, and as a gloss surface to apply decals. It can be hand-brushed, airbrushed, or you can even put some in a jar and dip parts.

Prost!
Brad
 
I wish you the best of luck Zach, you've set the bar very high for your collecting standards!?!?{sm3}
Ray
 
WOW - If I can't at least get myself ready after your post, Brad, I have real problems! Thanks for the info! AWAY WE GO!!!!!
 
WOW - If I can't at least get myself ready after your post, Brad, I have real problems! Thanks for the info! AWAY WE GO!!!!!


I really don't have anything that I can add to the excellent advice already given Zach - other than wish you the best of luck with it. I hope you find it as rewarding an experience as I and most of the other painters I know do. Just get stuck in - and have a go. You WILL get better with practice - so don't get dis-heartened if your first attempts don't rival the St. Petersburg mob!:D.

Remember - you're painting up a TOY Soldier - and not competing with the Top Model type that you know so well. There is a BIG difference between the genres.

My advice would be to go for the simpler TOY castings - as some you will find are quite detailed - and towards the Model end of the spectrum. However, all can be painted in the simpler Toy style - and Glossy is the easier style to look good at first, (though I'm stuck there anyway - as that's what I like best). You can use matte or Glossy paints too - and just varnish (when all paint is dry) at the end. Go for a good glossy varnish - and you'll be surprised at how this can "lift" your finished piece.

Best of luck - just take your time - and enjoy the experience. Johnnybach
 
I noted that several folks suggested using glossy paints. I suggest otherwise . . . . matte paint is easier to use with many more colors available. Do the basic painting, then spray with clear overspray such as ModelMaster. Then add details . . . if you make a mistake or two, you can easily wipe it off with water. Continue using the clear overspray as you progress. When done, overspray with a coat or two of clear gloss.

The advice to remember that these are toy soldiers, not figures for completion, is good. For starters, you want to give the impression of a figure, not create a perfect image of one. As you progress, you cab add more detail.

Another suggestion is not to use white for eyes . . . unless you have the skill, it makes a figure look phony. Just use get a fine black pen (02 or 05) at an art store.

Remember that a partially finished figure looks terrible . . . it won't look good until almost done.

Good luck and above all, have fun!

Bosun Al
 
Zach...

when will your repair shop open...^&grin...

I have a lot of figures to send you...
 

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