Help Identify Marching Band (1 Viewer)

captainsimos

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I am helping a friend that inherited a large collection. I am new and having a hard time identifying pieces without any makers marks. I have looked through auctions, web sites, and am having a hard time with this group. They appear to be US Marines, but I haven't been able to find a match. Any help would be deeply appreciated. IMG_3854.JPG
 
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So, there's nothing on the underside of the bases?

I don't know if they depict Marines, but I suspect they depict a band during the Civil War.

Also, just looking at them, I wouldn't be surprised if they were made by a hobbyist, rather than produced commercially. That wouldn't detract from their appeal; it's just a possible explanation for their origin.

Are they hollow, or are they solid?

Prost!
Brad
 
Welcome to the forum!

So, there's nothing on the underside of the bases?

I don't know if they depict Marines, but I suspect they depict a band during the Civil War.

Also, just looking at them, I wouldn't be surprised if they were made by a hobbyist, rather than produced commercially. That wouldn't detract from their appeal; it's just a possible explanation for their origin.

Are they hollow, or are they solid?

Prost!
Brad

I think you are correct Brad they do look like a one off by a hobbyist. They do have a Britains look to them however.
 
I think you are correct Brad they do look like a one off by a hobbyist. They do have a Britains look to them however.

Yes, the shape of the bases, and the step-off with the left foot made me think of a basic casting made from a Britains foot figure. Some of the instruments, too, remind me of Britains or similar. With the availability of spares from vendors like Ron Ruddell at London Bridge, it's relatively simple to produce a set of figures that might not have been produced back in the day.

We really need captainsimos to reply with more details, to learn if they're solid, or if they're hollow. If they're solid, then they're definitely derived, either by a hobbyist or by a small maker (ie, a cottage maker). Like I said, it doesn't detract from their appeal at all, only trying to figure (pun intended) out what they are.

Prost!
Brad
 
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I had a look in my stacks, in the meantime, and found my Marine Corps reference. It's "The United States Marine Corps" from the "GI Illustrated History" series:

https://www.amazon.com/United-State...=2025&creative=165953&creativeASIN=B013JA01TC

It has a lot of good photo references. After I looked through the sections on the 1850s and the Civil War, I can see how these might be intended to depict a Marine band from that period.

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Brad
 
The style of the figures and the instruments are absolutely W. Britains Ltd bandsmen’s configuration. My personal opinion is that it is a conversion (paint only is necessary) of an expanded Set No.2178 Band of the Fort Henry Guard (1959-1966). Given their normal composition, one piece is missing, the side drummer. The only variance from the original Britains set is that it had plastic drums (base drum appears metal).


The figures have to be the artist’s interpretation of the U.S. Marine Corps Band per instructions of 1859. This uniform is detailed in the book by Col. R.H. Rankin,USMC, Uniforms of the Sea Services, U.S. Naval Institute, Annapolis Md, 1962, LCCN 62-14382, in both drawing and text (pp.146-147). The figures appear very well painted. Britains did not produce a comparable set. The set appears both accurately and well executed. Would be curious if there is an embossed W. Britains name on the underside of the bases.

Arnhem Jim
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Thank you for the replies. My eyes aren't as sharp as they use to be and after looking at the bases again, I noticed writing on the Drum Major base, I removed the paint and this is what was revealed. I have included two photos since it appears it was stamped twice. The figure is solid. I hope this will help identifying the maker. base1.jpgbase2.jpg
 
Bingo!

Do you have any more info about the person who passed along the collection? Did he paint his own, as well as collect figures? Can you give us his name? It'd be interesting to learn if he was someone somebody here may have known.

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Brad
 
I will ask the owner for the name of the person he inherited the collection from. I only know he has several tubes full and everything is mixed up which makes it very difficult to sort out. Did the markings on the bottom give any clues?
 
Did the markings on the bottom give any clues?

Yes, as far as the ID goes, your photos confirm what Scott, Jim, and I guessed (please see the previous posts). The figures are Britains, likely from set 2178, Band of the Fort Henry Guard, which a collector has modified through repainting to depict a US Marine band of the Civil War.

If they are hollow, then they are definitely original Britains which have been repainted. If they are solid, then they are replicas of Britains.

William Britain pioneered a casting technique, called hollowcasting-the caster poured the molten metal in the mold, waited second for the metal to begin to cool, and then tipped out the remaining molten metal. This produced a toy soldier which was hollow, and therefore, lighter, than a solid figure. That also meant that Britain could produce more, ship them more cheaply, and undercut his competition.

To tell if the figures are hollow, look for a hole, usually on the head or headgear, which is from the pour gate on the mold. The figure will also feel light for its size.

No one copies the figures using the hollowcasting technique; at least, I have never seen a hobbyist do it. However, there have been many who copied Britain's figures but as solid figures. Over the years, Britain has also licensed some vendors to sell replacement parts, for those who want to repair/refurbish old figures. We have members here in the forum who do this.

It's an attractive set, as we've said. It's interesting to get to the bottom of its origins.

Prost!
Brad
 
Thanks again, the figures are not hollow, they weigh approx. 1.25 ounces and I can find no hole. Thanks for all the information.
capainsimos
 

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