Help to ID Who Made this French? Band and a second group of soldiers (1 Viewer)

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These were in the collection I have been working on and was hoping someone might be able to tell he the maker and unit the soldiers represent. The band has no marks that I could see,are solid and measure 70mm to the top of the plume . The set is very well done. The second group are hollow cast and aren't marked. I couldn't ID the uniform. The horses blanket has a crown and "19" written on it. As always thanks for the information.
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Simos

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The Napoleonic band, which is the Dutch Grenadiers (3[SUP]e[/SUP] Régiment de Grenadiers-à-Pied de la Garde Impériale) , have tinplate bases that were used by makers like Stadden, Lasset and Greenwood & Ball.

I see from the Stadden catalogue that they have produced Napoleonic bands, and did make a band of 1[SUP]er[/SUP] Régiment de Grenadiers-à-Pied de la Garde Impériale and they were matching left foot forward, like these, and the Jingling Johnnie looks similar, so by suggestion is Stadden.

The blue coated soldiers in the other images are repainted Britains, but maybe other collectors can find thier catalogue numbers?

Hope that helps,
John

By the way, here is my Dutch Grenadier Band that I painted using Tradition castings.

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I suggested Alymer, but Greenwood & Ball is a possibility. The sculpting is akin to G&B's style.

I don't think they are Staddens. Stadden's tinplate bases weren't squares or rectangles, but rather, they cropped the corners, making an 8-sided figure. I don't know if they did it for the safety and convenience of their customers, but it did make it less likely that you'd stab yourself handling the figure, by removing those points.

I agree that the bluecoats are repainted Britains. Simos-here you can see an example of what I said about identifying a hollowcast toy soldier. See the holes in the soldiers' helmets? That's the hole where the mold's pour gate was. That hole, along with the weight of a figure, is one of the two sure ways to identify a hollowcast against a solidcast copy.

Prost!
Brad
 
Thanks for all the information. On the home cast soldiers I was trying to find out what unit the maker was trying to represent. I thought the photo of the crown and number "19" on the horse blanket might have some significance.
 
Thanks for all the information. On the home cast soldiers I was trying to find out what unit the maker was trying to represent. I thought the photo of the crown and number "19" on the horse blanket might have some significance.

You mean the hollowcasts? Well, the light blue coats could suggest that whoever painted them might have intended them to be Bavarians, regardless of how accurately the other details depict Bavarian soldiers or not. I don't know of any British units that wore a coat like that. Or maybe he just painted them on a whim. As for horse blankets in the Kaiser's army, they usually had a crowned monogram with the initials of the ruler of the regiment's state-"W" for Wilhelm of Prussia, "L" for Ludwig III of Bavaria, and so on. Shoulder straps could have a crowned monogram, too, or the number of the regiment, or some special badges, for training schools, etc.

Some collectors who focus on Britains classic figures do like to produce their own versions of subjects that Britain never made. There was at least one commercial maker who did that, too. So, a collector might take the Prussian Hussar figure, and either repaint it, or cast copies and repaint it, and make one of the other Imperial German hussar regiments-there were 20, altogether. The same goes for other types of cavalry, infantry, artillery, and support & specialist units. Or he might even get replacement parts and refurbish old toy soldiers, like our late member johnnybach did.

It's too bad whoever made these didn't get to label them. I'm doing that, with the ones I make. I'm putting them in boxes, and I've made up a label for them. I'll write the subject on the label. I also made small labels that I can glue to the undersides of bases. But not everyone does that, and to retrofit ones I did earlier will take a while to accomplish, too.

Prost!
Brad
 

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