Is this Marx or Recast? Pt 2. The Caisson (1 Viewer)

[macchim-5]

Another piece I stumbled across. Is this the real thing? Any feedback would be great, thanks-

M.

 

[Jay]

Hard to tell with this one as CTS reissued them about 15 years ago. The only difference as I recall was that they had the horses' heads turned slightly.

 

[CHuDWah]

Another piece I stumbled across. Is this the real thing? Any feedback would be great, thanks-

M.

Sorry, can't help with the ID, but a little nitpickin' - that's a limber, not a caisson.

 

[CHuDWah]

Hard to tell with this one as CTS reissued them about 15 years ago. The only difference as I recall was that they had the horses' heads turned slightly.

I don't think it's CTS, at least not the current version. Here's a CTS limber (with a caisson :wink2:



The footrest is different and it looks like the wheels and ammo box are too. Here's another view:



The tow hook is also different.

 

[Jay]

I don't think it's CTS, at least not the current version. Here's a CTS limber (with a caisson :wink2:

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The footrest is different and it looks like the wheels and ammo box are too. Here's another view:

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The tow hook is also different.

This is the one they created. Very nice. But they did redo the original Marx cannon and caisson that looked exactly like the original.

 

[macchim-5]

Thanks for the help! It looks like it's neither an obvious recast nor a definite original. I think I'll just list it as a "possible" Marx and see how people feel. They can review the photos. Aaaaaand, on eBay I'll describe it as a "limber"

M.

 

[CHuDWah]

This is the one they created. Very nice. But they did redo the original Marx cannon and caisson that looked exactly like the original.

Did not know that - thanx for the info. :salute::

 

[NEVINSRIP]

What you have there is one of Bill Murphy's original Excalibur recasts. I can tell by the colors of the limber and the wheels.
Bill had test shots run in those colors and sold the test shots at the Hackensack show way back when.

One other note.

The CTS recast has a "C" and a "P" (CLASSIC PLASTIC) stamped into the two push rod circles on the underside of the limber.
Right below the metal axle.
This was done to allow collectors to recognize recasts.
You can see the two circles in the photo below.
Murphy's test shots did not have any markings at all, but his colors did not match the original colors, so there was no mistaking the recasts.

By the way, there's nothing rare about them.

 

[theBaron]

Sorry, can't help with the ID, but a little nitpickin' - that's a limber, not a caisson.

Actually, it's a caisson limber. I'm not being a smart-aleck--the Prussians implemented these, in their army before the Seven Years' War, by adding the chests to the limber, so each gun could carry a supply of ammunition with it, and that's how it's referred to.

Prost!
Brad

 

[CHuDWah]

Actually, it's a caisson limber. I'm not being a smart-aleck--the Prussians implemented these, in their army before the Seven Years' War, by adding the chests to the limber, so each gun could carry a supply of ammunition with it, and that's how it's referred to.

Prost!
Brad

This "Nomenclature Plate" appears in the 1861 Instruction for Field Artillery:

The text also refers to simply "limber" and "caisson". I'm also not being a smart-aleck but it appears that was the terminology in use during the ACW, at least in the US army.

 

[NEVINSRIP]

Call it what you wish. It's a recast and so is the wagon.