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TOKYO - Japan has returned to using the prewar name for the island of Iwo Jima _ site of one of World War II's most horrific battles _ at the urging of its original inhabitants, who want to reclaim an identity they say has been hijacked by high-profile movies like Clint Eastwood's "Letters from Iwo Jima."

The new name, Iwo To, was adopted Monday by the Japanese Geographical Survey Institute in consultation with Japan's coast guard.

Surviving islanders evacuated during the war praised the move, but others said it cheapens the memory of a brutal campaign that today is inextricably linked to the words Iwo Jima.

Back in 1945, the small, volcanic island was the vortex of the fierce World War II battle immortalized by the famous photograph by Joe Rosenthal of The Associated Press showing Marines raising the American flag on the islet's Mount Suribachi.

Retired Marine Maj. Gen. Fred Haynes, who was a 24-year-old captain in the regiment that raised the flag on Mount Suribachi, was surprised and upset by the news.

"Frankly, I don't like it. That name is so much a part of our tradition, our legacy," said Haynes.

Haynes, 87, heads the Combat Veterans of Iwo Jima, a group of about 600 veterans that travels to the island every year for a reunion. He is working on a book about the battle called "We Walk by Faith: The Story of Combat Team 28 and the Battle of Iwo Jima." He doesn't plan to change the name.

"It was Iwo Jima to us when we took it," said Haynes. "We'll recognize whatever the Japanese want to call it but we'll stick to Iwo Jima."

Before the war, the isolated spit of land was called Iwo To _ pronounced "ee-woh-toh" _ by the 1,000 or so people who lived there. In Japanese, that name looks and means the same as Iwo Jima _ Sulfur Island _ but it has a different sound.

The civilians were evacuated in 1944 as U.S. forces advanced across the Pacific. Some Japanese navy officers who moved in to fortify the island mistakenly called it Iwo Jima, and the name stuck. After the war, civilians weren't allowed to return and the island was put to exclusive military use by both the U.S. and Japan, cementing its identity.

Locals were never happy the name Iwo Jima took root. But the last straw came this year with the release of Eastwood's "Letters from Iwo Jima" and "Flags of Our Fathers," war films that only reinforced the misnomer.

In March, Ogasawara, the municipality that administers Iwo To and neighboring islands, responded by adopting a resolution making Iwo To the official name. Ogasawara residents and descendants of Iwo To evacuees petitioned the central government to follow suit.

"Though we're happy for Iwo To, which has been forgotten by history, the islanders are extremely grieved every time they hear Iwo To referred to as Iwo Jima," the local Ogasawara newspaper quoted the resolution as saying of the Eastwood movies.

The government agreed; an official map with the new name will be released on Sept. 1.

Still, Iwo Jima is the only name that clicks with most Japanese who aren't from the remote island chain, some 700 miles southeast of Tokyo in the Pacific Ocean.

Even some Japanese war veterans, like 84-year-old Kiyoshi Endo, who heads an association commemorating soldiers killed in the battle, feel uncomfortable about the switch.

"Naval maps have long used the name Iwo Jima," Japan's Sankei newspaper quoted Endo as saying. "We should respect that history."

Today Iwo To's only inhabitants are about 400 Japanese soldiers.

The 1945 battle for Iwo Jima pitted some 100,000 U.S. troops against 22,000 Japanese deeply dug into a labyrinth of tunnels and trenches. Nearly 7,000 Americans were killed capturing the island, and fewer than 1,000 of the Japanese survived.

The Americans occupied the island after the war, and returned it to Japanese jurisdiction in 1968. The U.S. Navy still uses an airstrip on the island to train pilots who operate from aircraft carriers.
 
So lets rename Pearl Harbor "Place where the stupid Japanese bit off way more than they could ever chew". Oh, did I say that out loud? Whoops.
 
I frankly don't see what the big deal is as people should be able to call their territory whatever they want, plus as Major General Haynes says it will always be known as Iwo Jima. It's that way in history and that way it will stay. After all, does anybody but the Japanese really care what they call it anyway?
 
What's in a name. Many battles in the United States have two names. Look at Bull Run or Manassas and Antietam or Sharpsburg. In the collective memory of Americans the island in the Pacific where the Marines and Japanese fought and died in Febuary 1945 will always be Iwo Jima.
 
I certainly don’t really give a toss either way.

Just one more thing to remember on those pub quiz nights! At school I thought I was pretty good at geography and then they started changing all the names; Ceylon to Sri Lanka, Formosa to Taiwan, Burma to Myanmar (which btw both I and the BBC fail to acknowledge and still refer to it as Burma!) and all those new Russian states, arghhhh!
This list of name changes is endless.

One thing is certain; we will always know it as Iwo Jima and the Japanese can call it whatever they like!

I visited it by the way when I lived in Japan. It is hell there even without a war going on.
 
Sorry I was waylaid with a delivery coming in when mentioning my trip to Iwo Jima. I think it really is an island that should be visited just once especially if any of your family and friends either fought and or died there. The place should be remembered for certain no matter what the Japanese change the name to.

It is hell with not much to see and it is an awful long way from anywhere! I remember being pestered on arriving by a salesman trying to sell me pieces of Iwo Jima lava/rock. With Monty Python’s “Life of Brian” script freshly in my memory I replied “No thanks they’re lying all over the floor and that! I almost expected him the reply “yes but not like these; these are quality rocks sir! But alas he didn’t.

For those of you who haven’t seen the film Life of Brian; here is the script from the stoning sketch:


” HARRY THE HAGGLER: Stones, sir?

MANDY: Naah. They've got a lot there, lying around on the ground.

HARRY THE HAGGLER: Oh, not like these, sir. Look at this. Feel the quality of that. That's craftsmanship, sir.

MANDY: Hmmm. Aah, all right. We'll have, uh, two with points and... a big flat one.

BRIAN: Could I have a flat one, Mum?

MANDY: Shh!

BRIAN: Sorry. Dad.

MANDY: Ehh, all right. Two points, ah, two flats, and a packet of gravel.

HARRY THE HAGGLER: Packet of gravel. Should be a good one this afternoon.

MANDY: Hehh?

HARRY THE HAGGLER: Local boy.

MANDY: Oh, good.

HARRY THE HAGGLER: Enjoy yourselves.
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The Japanese have been denying their crimes in WWII since before WWII began, so what’s different now? Rename a location and the old one does not officially exist. Like when Stalin had photographs "doctored" to remove the images of those who fell from favor or were killed. As Joseph Goebbels is quoted to have said, “Tell big lies and tell them often and the lies will become truths.”
 
The quirks of history:

Charles Lindberg, 86; Marine helped raise first U.S. flag over Iwo Jima
From the Associated Press
June 26, 2007


Charles W. Lindberg, one of the U.S. Marines who raised the first American flag over Iwo Jima during World War II, has died. He was 86.

Lindberg died Sunday at Fairview Southdale Hospital in the Minneapolis suburb of Edina, said John Pose, director of the Morris Nilsen Funeral Chapel in Richfield, Minn..

Lindberg spent decades explaining that it was his patrol, not the servicemen captured in the famous Associated Press photograph by Joe Rosenthal, that raised the first flag as U.S. forces fought to take the Japanese island.

In the late morning of Feb. 23, 1945, Lindberg fired his flamethrower into enemy pillboxes at the base of Mt. Suribachi, then joined five other Marines fighting their way to the top. He was awarded the Silver Star for bravery.

"Two of our men found this big, long pipe there," he said in an interview with the Associated Press in 2003. "We tied the flag to it, took it to the highest spot we could find, and we raised it.

"Down below, the troops started to cheer, the ship's whistles went off, it was just something that you would never forget," he said. "It didn't last too long, because the enemy started coming out of the caves."

The moment was captured by Sgt. Lou Lowery, a photographer from the Marine Corps' Leatherneck magazine. It was the first time during the war that a foreign flag flew on Japanese soil, according to the book "Flags of Our Fathers," by James Bradley with Ron Powers. Bradley's father, Navy corpsman John Bradley, was one of the men in the famous photo of the second flag-raising.

By Lindberg's account, his commander ordered the first flag replaced and safeguarded because he worried that someone would take it as a souvenir. Lindberg was back in combat when six men raised the second, larger flag about four hours later.

Rosenthal's photo of the second flag-raising became one of the most enduring images of the war and the model for the U.S. Marine Corps War Memorial in Washington.

Rosenthal, who died last year, always denied accusations that he staged the photo, and he never said it depicted the first raising of a flag over the island.

After his discharge in January 1946, Lindberg — no relation to Charles Lindbergh the aviator — went home to Grand Forks, N.D. He moved to Richfield in 1951 and became an electrician.

No one, he said, believed him when he told of raising the first flag at Iwo Jima. He spent his final years trying to increase awareness of the first flag-raising, speaking to veterans groups and at schools.

The Minnesota Legislature passed a resolution in Lindberg's honor in 1995. His face appears on a mural in Long Prairie and is etched into granite at Soldiers Field in Rochester.
 
How sad,it must have hurt him a lot.Thanks for posting that,very interesting.

Rob
 
How sad,it must have hurt him a lot.Thanks for posting that,very interesting.

Rob

I thought the movie ,Flags of My Father, tried to show those events as described ,and the reasons why the government took great pains to make the " real flag raising " go away.....They had already committed vast resources to the promoting and marketing of the second photo for the war bond effort. Michael
 
Gentle Friends,

Does anyone know what became of the first flag? Has it been preserved and is it on display somewhere?

Warmest personal regards,

Pat
 
Maybe the Japanese could find a new poetic name for Iwo Jima by calling it "We lost our backsides on that bloody rock!" It sounds much better in Japanese:p
 

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