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larso

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I'm pretty forgiving with movies. As long as I'm generally entertained, I will give it three stars or more. John Carter though didn't do it for me. The biggest problem was the script. It just didn't put things into context. It spent too long on Carter's opening 'Western' stage and failed to adequately justify many later developments. I didn't mind the lead character but the Princess never really made sense. Without knowing the original books, I imagine the film tried to keep true to the names used. Too many of these though were overly complex or worse, laughable. It dragged too much in the middle and the battles were generally confusing. Some scenes and lines are ok and some ideas are interesting (the sun-ships) but these are few and far between. Overall, this film just had too many jarring moments. How this could happen with the money available ($300 million I heard) and on Disney's watch is hard to understand
 
A quick look at IMDB says it was 'only' $250 million to make (another 50 might've gone on marketing though) and apparently it has made $282 million! Hard to believe word of mouth could've helped it that much?
 
A quick look at IMDB says it was 'only' $250 million to make (another 50 might've gone on marketing though) and apparently it has made $282 million! Hard to believe word of mouth could've helped it that much?

A friend of mine recommended it and then took money off me for the DVD hire. Pretty ordinary behaviour wouldn't you say Larso?
 
It is a brave man who takes on the responsibility of selecting the video/DVD for a Friday night gathering. Such a man should be praised for having steel in his blood.

Below is a longish essay on the film, basically saying it was one of the biggest calamities in Hollywood history.


The Failure of John Carter (of Mars)

It cost $2.6 million per each minute of its running time. Its projected $200 million losses have forced the head of Disney to resign. It’s being called the most high-profile disaster since ‘Heaven’s Gate’. What the hell happened with ‘John Carter of Mars’?

‘John Carter’ was released worldwide 9th March 2012. A Walt Disney Studios production, it had cost $350 million to make. To see success, Disney was looking for another ‘Pirates of the Caribbean: Dead Man’s Chest’ (2006). A sequel to 2003’s phenomenally popular ‘Curse of the Black Pearl’, ‘Dead Man’s Chest’ had cost $225 million but made $135 million in its opening weekend alone; it was poised to make a profit. A bountiful opening weekend is always a good sign – eventual takings reached over $1 billion.

‘John Carter’ made $30 million in its opening weekend. Now at the end of its cinematic run, it has only just clawed back its production budget, with other costs such as marketing and distribution still unaccounted for. From a declared cost of $350 million, ‘John Carter’ has made little over $260 million. The new ‘Dead Man’s Chest’ it isn’t – by all accounts, this is one of the biggest box office bombs of all time.

Hollywood’s past is littered with box office disasters, often the result of low audience figures failing to recuperate the cost of a production that ran well over budget. Examples abound: ‘Cleopatra’ (1963), ‘Sorcerer’ (1977), ‘Ishtar’ (1987), ‘Cutthroat Island’ (1995), ‘The Adventures of Pluto Nash’ (2002)…and the big one, ‘Heaven’s Gate’ (1980).

Epic Western ‘Heaven’s Gate’ was “the film that bankrupted a studio”. Its failure was so massive that United Artists was bought out shortly after the film’s release and director Michael Cimino effectively became an outcast, a once-promising filmmaker reduced to nothing by his egomania and reckless spending. ‘Heaven’s Gate’ – $44 million cost, $3 million audience takings – is still a byword for box office failure. It stands as a warning from history; such is the infamy of its troubled production, it’s surprising a caution sign baring Cimino’s face doesn’t stand at every street corner in Hollywood.

Andrew Stanton, like Cimino, was once a Hollywood golden boy. Where Cimino was the Oscar-winning genius behind ‘The Deerhunter’ (1978), Stanton had gold statues of his own for both ‘Wall.E’ (2008) and ‘Finding Nemo’ (2003). It was him that brought the ‘John Carter of Mars’ project to Disney after years of futile attempts to bring it to the screen – as early as 1936, MGM were planning an animated ‘John Carter’ feature, while Ray Harryhausen, John McTiernan and Robert Rodriguez all had a go at one point or another. Stanton, a longtime fan of the books, was to be the one to finally realise the project.

Based on Edgar Rice Burroughs’ ‘Barsoom’ sci-fi novels, ‘John Carter of Mars’ tells the story of confederate soldier John Carter inadvertently teleporting from 1868 Arizona to Mars, where he finds himself in the middle of a thousand-year war between alien tribes. The 11-book series, written between 1912 and 1943, was possible franchise material, a fantasy adventure for the whole family. It was the kind of material Stanton had already proven so adept at; he enticed Disney with the promise of “Indiana Jones on Mars”.

With an acclaimed cast including Samantha Morton, Mark Strong and Dominic West locked in, shooting for ‘John Carter of Mars’ began at London’s Longcross Studios, January 2010 and concluded in Utah, July 2010. It was Stanton’s first ever live-action shoot – a former Pixar man, he’d written, directed and produced some of the studio’s greatest hits – and filming didn’t run entirely smoothly. A whole month’s re-shoot took place in Playa Vista, Los Angeles, re-shoots often the sign of a troubled production. Stanton even admitted to filming much of the movie twice, remarking that he’d been taught how to make movies that sometimes required up to four re-shoots. He defiantly transferred his animated filmmaking methods to live-action, saying “You’re asking a guy who’s only known how to do it this way…I’m not gonna get it right the first time, I’ll tell you that right now.”

You could be forgiven for thinking, then, that much of the film’s final cost was sunk into shooting and re-shooting it several times, though Stanton insists it came in on budget. If the shoot was troubled, the director at least sought advice – not from live-action crews, but from the people he worked with at Pixar. He gave his reasoning to his producers: “Is it just me, or do we actually know how to do this better than live-action crews do?”

With the $250 million-shoot completed by mid-2010, the editing and – most importantly – the selling of the film could begin. An early decision was to remove ‘of Mars’ from the title, an idea of MT Carney’s, Disney’s head of marketing during ‘John Carter’s post-production (Carney, whose only previous experience was running a small marketing boutique in New York, later appeared to be forced out of the company, declaring her ‘resignation’ earlier this year). The title change would be the first of many confused marketing decisions.
 
Longish essay part II

Stanton controlled his film’s $100 million-advertising campaign, often rejecting ideas from experts, choosing unpopular billboard imagery and insisting old rock songs be used in trailers for his current movie. As trailers premiered throughout 2011, Vulture magazine’s Claude Brodesser-Akner called them “disastrously impotent, muddled”. A former studio marketing chief was quoted in Vulture as saying “This is one of the worst marketing campaigns in the history of movies. It’s almost as if they went out of their way to not make us care.” Experts tracking the film prior to release found that – as awareness grew – public interest remained flat.

As the March release date neared, critics’ reviews began to emerge. They were mixed, to say the least. The Tampa Bay Times’ Steve Persall wondered where the film’s money went, observing that ‘This much buck should buy more bang’, while the San Francisco Chronicle’s Mick LaSalle declared there was ‘Nothing to see, nothing to think about, nothing to care about, and nothing to feel, just emptiness.’ New York Magazine’s David Edelstein said ‘There’s no wonder or elation or even dopey sincerity here – just a high level of proficiency and, yes, a lot of expensive CGI.’ That was one of the kinder reviews.

The signs did not look good. The marketing had been unsuccessful, the critics unkind. And then, 9th March dawned, that $30 million opening weekend came and a movie with the final cost of $350 million was met with one giant shrug.

It’s uncertain why ‘John Carter’ bombed as badly as it did. Maybe it had something to do with the brand. A decades-old and little-known sci-fi oddity, ‘John Carter’ did not have the luxury of being part of a red hot franchise like ‘Dead Man’s Chest’.

Perhaps it was the casting. Stanton wanted to make ‘John Carter’ without a major star in the title role but relative unknown Taylor Kitsch didn’t prove a draw for audiences. Assessment of the actor’s performance wasn’t positive either, the Guardian’s Peter Bradshaw calling the actor ‘stolid and dull’ and Variety’s Peter Debruge maintaining that Kitsch lacked the charisma to carry a film of this scale.

It could have been the plot itself, which proved perplexing even for Disney executives, who deemed Stanton’s screenplay confusing and hard to follow. Maybe audiences were just as confused.

Perhaps the studio was the problem, as Rich Ross, appointed Disney chairman just before ‘John Carter’s shoot, came from a TV background and had no experience in film. The inexperienced ‘lieutenants’ he hired weren’t much better; they gave Andrew Stanton the freedom to do whatever he liked, something Michael Cimino was once gifted by UA’s similarly-naive executives. Such freedom included heavy spending and an ultimately disastrous marketing campaign that was responsible for that horribly misleading title.

The negative critical evaluation of the film certainly didn’t help. Many critics noted how the material felt derivative because more successful sci-fi movies – for example, ‘Avatar’ (2009) and ‘Star Wars’ (1977) – had already used the John Carter novels as inspiration. The New York Post’s Lou Lumenick highlighted a major problem when he wrote that ‘‘John Carter’ evokes pretty much every sci-fi classic from the past 50 years without having any real personality of its own’: the film was made too late.

Whatever the reason for its failure, ‘John Carter’ is an example of Hollywood moviemaking at its most indulgent and misguided. Like ‘Heaven’s Gate’ before it, some critics are saying that ‘John Carter’ symbolises the excessive waste Hollywood sometimes represents. Put into perspective, Shane Meadows’ ‘This Is England’ (2007) – a popular, award-winning and critically-acclaimed film – cost $2.5 million to make in total. ‘John Carter’, for all Stanton’s re-shoots and stubborn bravado, cost $2.6 million for each one of its 132 minutes.

The fallout from the ‘John Carter’ debacle is only just beginning. The potentially massive repercussions in Hollywood have yet to be felt – we could be looking at increased precedence on sequels and remakes, tighter budget control, greater studio interference – but the trouble at Disney has already begun. Only last month, Rich Ross resigned, in reaction to this and 2011’s $136 million-loser ‘Mars Needs Moms’ (it’s interesting to note that, following the similar failure of ‘Heaven’s Gate’ in 1980, an entire restructuring of UA took place. Beginning with its chairman).

Disney Studios now appears vulnerable. According to some reports, Ross gave a parting shot by blaming Pixar for the failure of ‘John Carter’, indicating division within the company. Whoever is to blame, both ‘John Carter’ and ‘Mars Needs Moms’ indicate a breathtaking lack of savvy from what used to be one of the most successful studios working in American cinema.

It’s now also highly unlikely that Andrew Stanton’s planned sequels to ‘John Carter’ will ever see the light of day. Whether he’s heading for a career like Michael Cimino’s remains to be seen.
 
It is a brave man who takes on the responsibility of selecting the video/DVD for a Friday night gathering. Such a man should be praised for having steel in his blood.



The other option this friend offered was 'Battleship' which had the worst opening weekend in history of any movie with a budget of 200 million. Is the steel in his blood or in his head?
 
From what I remember of the novel, the film plot was waaaay too complicated. The crashing the wedding scene was just like Flash Gorden in the 80s.

Half the cast of HBO's ROME, who I liked, were in the film. I didn't care for Carter or the Princess.
 

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