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Peter and I were talking today about two K&C figures shown on the front cover of the Collectors Quarterly #3 issued in the summer of 2003. They are of two french napoleonic figures shown on the right side with the caption "A ROMAN FORT OR FRENCH BARACKS". They are not found anywhere except on the cover of the flyer. Peter seems to think maybe they are Del Prado painted by K&C. If anyone has the answer including Andy can you let us know we were stumped for an answer...... :eek:
If you don't have this collectors flyer you can have a look see at Sagers Soldiers Miniatures, http://toysoldiersusa.com/
on left side choose collector then #3.

Cheers
Wellington
 
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I think they are both Del Prado. I believe I have the figure on the left. It appears to be NAW 37 Officer, Grenadiers a Cheval, 1809-14. I have seen the other but I am too lazy tonight to look it up on http://www.napoleonatwar.co.uk/ Hope this helps. Michael :)
 
My God....I just felt my heart and my wallet fall to the floor. I had no idea this site existed nor did I know these figures existed. The info you just gave me was great...you learn something everyday!!!!

Cheers the very POOR
Wellington

Are these figures available anywhere....when does the madness end!!!!!
I need help, any of you attend a toy soldier recovery program... :)
 
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K&C Figures?

Dear Wellington:
You might have missed my other thread, but all the Del Prado figures will be available in the U.S. from Old Northwest Trading Company -- ONWTC will be the exclusive distributor. They have a website listing all the figures with pricing and ordering information: www.delpradousa.com. Unlike the site listed by Michael, the ONWTC site currently only displays pictures of the first 8 figures of each of the four series. They state pictures of the remaining figures will be posted in the next few weeks. Have fun collecting! :)
 
I wonder if you can pick and choose the figures you want because some of them I really wouldn't want to bother with. Thanks Steven, I've seen both sites thanks to the both of you!! I find it all too confusing when K&C have their hand in with another company and the figures are very much the same with small differences for a much cheaper price. If the quality of SOME of these figures are as good as K&C I may start buying some but don't want to be forced into buying 4 so that I can buy the 1 that I really want!!! The quality on some look good while others don't look very good at all. Perhaps Andy can clarify some of this. There are a few pieces that are the same as k&C Napoleonics but different colors or something that they are holding is different than the other.


Cheers
Wellington
 
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I think that the problem is that you beleive that those Del Prado figures are King & Country products. They are not. They are Del Prado products, made by King & Country but within the specifications of Del Prado. It is near a fraud in listing "Del Prado/King & Country figures" on eBay to try to sell an item.

Pierre.
 
Wellington,

I think you'll be better off getting from ONWTC as I once had emailed Del Prado USA and it apparently wasn't a good address.

Pierre,

I don't really think it's fraud as they are made by King and Country. They're just not good as K & C, although there are a couple that are pretty good like the Welch Fusileer, the German AK paratrooper and a German soldier from the Polish campaign.
 
Thanks Pierre and Brad for clarifying something for me but have one other question. Do these figures have K&C on the bottom of them or something else? I guess that would be the difference if Andy had done them to his standard they would have his name on them and if they were not up to his standard ie: painted by K&C and not by Del Prado they wouldn't have K&C on them?

Wellington
 
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I have been buying a lot of these figures, especially the cavalry on ebay. They do not cost that much in comparison to K&C. However, the only source that I have been able to find is on eBay and all of the sellers are located in the United Kingdom. I have purchased over 100 of the cavalry figures, many are multiples as I am putting together a couple of massed squadron charges against my K&C regiments. The cost of shipping from the UK adds about $10 to $15 per figure. However, the average cost, including shipping, is still less than the average K&C cavalry piece. The center point of my cavalry charges willl be a grouping of 21 K&C Dragoons.

Maybe this link will help http://toys.search-desc.ebay.com/de...QsacatZ2631QQsspagenameZSTRKQ3aMEFSRCHQ3aSRCH

They have Del Prado printed on the base. Michael
 
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Sceic2...how do you find the quality of these figures compared to K&C and what is written on the bottom of them?? If you order lets say 10 of them what is the shipping about??
Oh yes meant to ask if they are the same size as K&C??????
Cheers
Wellington
 
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I will tell you this about shipping from the UK. I completed the DelPrado Men at War set, getting all the figures from people in the UK. For a shipment for non mounted figures , about 6 figures, it can go airmail and with luck you can get it in 10 days, however, and this would probably be the case with multiple mounted figures, it would go by sea.
Then it takes almost 6 to 8 weeks to get it. That is a long and frustrating wait.
I bought 1 figure from the UK paid the airmail cost, the guy lied and sent it by sea, got it 8 weeks later. In the mean time I gave him a negative rating on ebay thinking he never sent it.
I would look into the ONTC DelPrado deal.
Gary
 
Unlike Gary, I have never had any bad experiences with Del Prado UK sellers and like I've said on the average, with shipping, came out to around $14. That's hard to beat. Now, I've never bought any Napoleonics so they may be heavier, increasing the shipping cost.

As far as the WW 2 figures go, they're actually bigger than K & C.
 
Unlike others who have had some problems with eBay sellers in the UK, I have not yet had any problems what so ever. I have purchased over 100 of the Cavalry of the Napoleonic Wars and 20 of the Napoleon at War figures from about 10 to 15 different sellers. Each of them has been courtieous and helpful. Helpful in providing information on how to get their product with the cheapest shipping they can find. I have not used anything other than airmail. All the sellers have been willing to wait up to a week so that bidding will end and items can be combined to save shipping.
 
If I'm paying $10 to $14 dollars US in shipping than add the cost for the piece it self I might as well buy from the US dealer infact maybe the deal they are offering isn't so bad. Granted 1/4 I don't want but 2/3 I do plus you get the book and there is no risk 43.00 is about 10.00 per figure in US dollars postage is paid. If you buy off the internet and you pay 5pounds thats about 11 dollars US then you can pay for shipping next. What do you think?

Cheers
Wellington
Brad is the quality as good or almost as K&C?
 
Wellington,

It depends on the piece. I only collect WW 2 so I can't speak for Napoleonics. Overall, I'd say not as good but I think the Welsh fusileer is good. That's the best in Men at War series as far as I'm concerned.
 
After paying British pounds and shipping is it not better to buy from the US when they get here?? I just bought a K&C figure from England it was 12 British pounds after shipping it cost me total $32.00 Canadian.

Cheers
WELLINGTON
 
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Dear Wellington:
On the "Del Prado available in the U.S." thread, Brad posted he spoke with someone from Michigan Toy Soldier at the Hackensack Show, and that ONWTC would be selling single Del Prado figures after 6 months. If this is true, it may be cheaper to wait for the figures to be available individually in 6 months, though I doubt they would be sold at the subscription rates: 4 Napoleon at War figures for $43.95 post paid or 4 Cavalry of the Napoleonic War figures for $49.95 post paid.
 
I think those prices are reasonable but what K&C collector could afford any higher prices than that. 95% of my money goes to K&C, and ontop of that if these Del Prado figures are of even a hare less quality than K&C then I'd prefer to spend that extra money on Andy's products. I think Del Prado will do well if they keep their product at a high standard with a reasonable price. Eventually I think Del Prado will up their prices once they become a common name such as K&C known for their quality. They are not even near being able to ask K&C prices. If they try it, it will turn my interrest OFF for the figures....at least for me. Another thing Del Prado should do is sell them at the same size as K&C and they will capture many off the K&C diehards. I'm looking forward to these figures and will be a fan if they don't get too greedy. K&C wasn't built in a day and nor was Rome.

It is good news that they will be sold seperately...thanks Steven for the info!!
I almost forgot the books with the figures is a great idea!!!!!!!!!!!!

Cheers
Wellington
 
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wellington said:
I think those prices are reasonable but what K&C collector could afford any higher prices than that. 95% of my money goes to K&C, and ontop of that if these Del Prado figures are of even a hare less quality than K&C then I'd prefer to spend that extra money on Andy's products. I think Del Prado will do well if they keep their product at a high standard with a reasonable price. Eventually I think Del Prado will up their prices once they become a common name such as K&C known for their quality. They are not even near being able to ask K&C prices. If they try it, it will turn my interrest OFF for the figures....at least for me. Another thing Del Prado should do is sell them at the same size as K&C and they will capture many off the K&C diehards. I'm looking forward to these figures and will be a fan if they don't get too greedy. K&C wasn't built in a day and nor was Rome.
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Dear Wellington:
While the subscription price of the foot figures in the Napoleon at War series works out to $11 per figure delivered or about 50% of the price of a K&C Napoleonic foot figure, the subscription price of the figures in the Cavalry of the Napoleonic War Series works out to $12.50 per figure (plus booklet) or 23% of the price of a regular K&C Napoleonic cavalry figure. If you are using the Del Prado figures as "fillers" like Michael, you can get 4 cavalry pieces and a booklet for the price of one K&C cavalry piece.:)
Adding to Pierre's comments, I understand Del Prado is a Spanish publisher of magazines, not a toy soldier manufacturer. Their marketing gimmick is to include a gift to entice customers to buy their printed materials. Del Prado has also published booklets on other subjects like doll houses, fire engines or locomotives with gifts produced by other companies. They happened to have contracted with K&C to provide military figures for their military series, though I am not sure if K&C is helping to produce the current Del Prado series on Napoleonic battles which include several 20mm painted Napoleonic figures per booklet. The Chinese factories produce figures to the quality the buyer is willing to pay for i.e. a K&C figure costs more to produce because of the higher quality painting than a Del Prado figure designed by K&C. Because the Del Prado figures are used to sell printed materials, I doubt Del Prado is paying for a higher quality paint job, so the Del Prado figures produced for Del Prado by K&C should always be subjectively worse in quality than a K&C figure. Finally, if Del Prado uses K&C to produce figures on future military subjects, I wonder whether Del Prado will be able to distribute these figures outside of Europe after Old Northwest Trading Company got the exclusive distributing rights to the present Del Prado figures produced by K&C.
 
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