K&C Napoleonics (1 Viewer)

[nysoldiers]

For any serious or even casual Napoleonic military miniature collector it should seem odd that the line infantry (Fussiliers) are sorely neglected.
True the Grenadiers, Old Guard and light infantry units were more colorful but they represented less than 20% of the infantry troops on campaign.
K&C has given us British and Russian troops to combat French Grenadiers and Voltiguers. I think the priority for any Napoleonic additions should be Fusiliers in attack march, advancing and firing sculpts. They can even be dressed in overcoats.
You can't have a realistic diorama or scene without the "line infantry"!

I see that First Legion is introducing a wide range of French line infantry and K&C should make the smart business decision to counter their move.

 

[fishead19690]

It would seem that its beleived that all Napoleonic collectors just like the pretty uniforms and that no one seems to know or care anything about the history of the battles and the period???
Most toy soldier makers will only make the most colorful eye catching uniforms and make all the figures look like parade ground figures and will avoid the campaign looking dirty figures that the true troops really looked like and will give you endless grenadiers and voltigers and horse artillary because of the colorful eye catching uniforms and the line troops always get neglected.
These troops were real ruff looking on campaign with really torn up clothing and even clothing taken from dead enemy troops.
I,d like to see some troops made to look like real napoleonic troopers.

I,d bet these would sell well also if given a chance, but you still see companies avoiding troops like prussians because they didn,t have pretty uniforms??? even though they were the deciding factor in the battle of waterloo wich is just about the most famous of all the napoleonic battles.

Only now are companies starting to come out with non-british troops for the french troops to battle????

 

[damian]

The Prussian Uniforms were not bad looking.
The glossy guys have covered a lot of different units. Look at Trophy and Little Legion. I am not sure why the matt manufacturers have not moved on these guys yet.
Regards
Damian

 

[General Custer]

Need some soldiers lying, firing.

 

[Spitfrnd]

Now that I am headed down this road, I would certainly like to see some 95th Rifles.

 

[Mister Dave]

I'll go with more British cavalry and infantry (would love to see the 27th RoF done some day).

MD

 

[Molloy]

I'll go with more British cavalry and infantry (would love to see the 27th RoF done some day).

MD

Well said that man! An Irish regiment like the Inniskillings (27th) or the Connaught Rangers (88th) would be very warmly welcomed by yours truly anyway.

Mind you, I reckon the 27th probably have the edge though from a collector's point of view as they were present both in the Peninsula, and later at Waterloo, while the Connaughts missed that final encounter, as they were still on their way back from North America.

Cheers,

Molloy.

 

[Mister Dave]

Okay Molloy, so the Inniskillings are the consensus then.

In addition to their presence throughout both campaigns you mentioned, I think it would also be fitting tribute to their extraordinarily costly and valiant stand at Waterloo.

So should we start a relentless campaign of requesting these over and over again, or just wait and hope?

MD

 

[Molloy]

Right so, the 'Skins it is! The campaign begins here MD!

Seriously though, it would be nice to see a regular British infantry regiment in the future. We've already had the Black Watch, Guards, KGL, 71st Light, so a run of the mill line Redcoat unit (albeit in this case an Irish one) would be a welcome addition.

The big question is: which period would Napoleonic British collectors prefer - stovepipe shakoes and the Peninsula, or Belgic headgear and the Waterloo campaign? Much as 1815 continually fascinates me, the Peninsular War did represent Britain's single biggest land contribution to the conflict, so it could be an interesting one to look at.

As far as I'm aware, even though the figures were released some time before I began collecting, the 71st HLI and their voltigeur opponents were meant to be representative of a light infantry skirmish in Spain or Portugal, but there's definitely a lot of ground left to cover should the topic be revisted. As well as the usual suspects on the British side like the 95th Rifles, etc., there's also their Iberian allies to consider - Portuguese Cazadores for example, with their British equipment like the Baker rifle.

Any thoughts on this one, Dave and the other Napoleonic Treefroggers?

Cheers,

Molloy.

 

[nysoldiers]

In reference to Molloy.
I would have prefered that K&C expanded upon the Peninsular campaign.
Waterloo period is a bit overdone (maybe because I have thousands of glossy's from that campaign).
The Peninsular campaign had a wide range of bigger battles, smaller engagements, ambushes, sieges and guerilla tactics.
Great for smaller groupings and dioramas.

In addition the earlier empire is sorely neglected. Uniforms from Austria, Russia, Prussia, Saxony, Bavaria etc... were colorful and dynamic.

I am hopeful that First Legion will go back to the earlier campaigns at some point. Borodino is a good start but Austerlizt, Jena and Friedland among others would be great for collectors of Napoleonics.

 

[Mister Dave]

I am strongly in favor of the 1815 version, and in this case with the Inniskillings found wiped out nearly to a man but still in their perfectly formed square, the tribute would seem quite fitting I think.

In general, I am drawn to the Napoleonic era for its colorful uniforms on all sides of the conflict(s), but have to admit I'm a hopeless red-coat freak.
So, I am primarily interested in any new British material that may come along even including blue-clad light cavalry and artillery troops.

MD

 

[aujj65]

In general, I am drawn to the Napoleonic era for its colorful uniforms on all sides of the conflict(s), but have to admit I'm a hopeless red-coat freak.
So, I am primarily interested in any new British material that may come along even including blue-clad light cavalry and artillery troops.

MD

I hope one day K&C will produce some British Light Dragoons or Hussars, the Scots Greys are a little outnumbered at the moment.

Jeff

 

[Mister Dave]

I hope one day K&C will produce some British Light Dragoons or Hussars, the Scots Greys are a little outnumbered at the moment.

Jeff

That would be okay for me too, in fact, on my last visit to the Toy Soldier Shoppe, Paul and I agreed that some Light Dragoons would be an excellent choice to succeed the Greys.

MD

 

[Spitfrnd]

In reference to Molloy.
...
I am hopeful that First Legion will go back to the earlier campaigns at some point. Borodino is a good start but Austerlizt, Jena and Friedland among others would be great for collectors of Napoleonics.

I am hopeful of that as well. Maybe the 95th Rifles, they could do those so well I think?

 

[damian]

Right so, the 'Skins it is! The campaign begins here MD!

Seriously though, it would be nice to see a regular British infantry regiment in the future. We've already had the Black Watch, Guards, KGL, 71st Light, so a run of the mill line Redcoat unit (albeit in this case an Irish one) would be a welcome addition.

The big question is: which period would Napoleonic British collectors prefer - stovepipe shakoes and the Peninsula, or Belgic headgear and the Waterloo campaign? Much as 1815 continually fascinates me, the Peninsular War did represent Britain's single biggest land contribution to the conflict, so it could be an interesting one to look at.

As far as I'm aware, even though the figures were released some time before I began collecting, the 71st HLI and their voltigeur opponents were meant to be representative of a light infantry skirmish in Spain or Portugal, but there's definitely a lot of ground left to cover should the topic be revisted. As well as the usual suspects on the British side like the 95th Rifles, etc., there's also their Iberian allies to consider - Portuguese Cazadores for example, with their British equipment like the Baker rifle.

Any thoughts on this one, Dave and the other Napoleonic Treefroggers?

Cheers,

Molloy.

There is no such thing as a run of the mill British line regiment, least of all an Irish one.
Regards
Damian

 

[Mister Dave]

There is no such thing as a run of the mill British line regiment, least of all an Irish one.
Regards
Damian

Of course, well said Damian.

MD

 

[aujj65]

There is no such thing as a run of the mill British line regiment, least of all an Irish one.
Regards
Damian

I agree that an Irish Regt can not be described as run of the mill. But I think what is meant here is a Regular Line Regt would be most welcome instead of more Highlander/Guard/Rifle/Light Regts which are available at the moment.

Jeff

 

[Molloy]

There is no such thing as a run of the mill British line regiment, least of all an Irish one.
Regards
Damian

A very fair point Damian - there's a sizeable list of modern British Army regiments with long and distinguished histories who'd take me very directly to task for that inadvertent gaffe! As regards Irish units, I suspect the current Royal Irish Regiment would be top of the queue to point out the error of my ways - the stand of their antecendant regiment at Waterloo as mentioned by Dave below pretty definitively argues against any "run of the mill" tag.

What I meant, but clumsily expressed however was that it would be great to see at some point in the future a regular British line infantry regiment - as opposed to Highlanders, Guards, King's German Legion etc. .

Cheers,

Molloy.

 

[Mister Dave]

No need to worry too much, Molloy, I think we all really knew what you were intending, and I agree it would be exciting to see another British regiment enter the K&C universe. Here is a sample of one of my favorite Napoleonic era paintings depicting another Line Regiment, the 28th Gloucestershire Regiment at Quatre Bras. One day I hope somebody produces the front ranker slightly to right of center with the big fat smirk on his face....

MD

 

[damian]

I was just pulling your leg there mate.
I know exactly what you mean.
Regards
Damian