K&C Poilus size (1 Viewer)

[armchair warrior]

Guys,

Anyone out there pick up K&C poilus and display them with British figures released in 2009(eg. FW044). They don't match up in size/scale. Poilus are too big. Brits actually look somewhat compatible with 1/30 vehicles. I am very disappointed that I waited 6 years for WW1 late war new releases and we get allies fighting side by side who do not match up. Where do I go, should I get FL WW1 Stuff. Any pics?, are the Germans and French the same size? I've never been a rivet counter but maybe I am becoming a button counter or something. K&C has had this issue before, some WW2 Germans way smaller than US airborne. WHY CAN'T THEY GET IT RIGHT. The worst part is the figures are good, a bit better than JJD in facial sculpting/painting but JJD'S French, Brits and Aussies match up with each other in size although the poilus faces have different shading.

Anyway, if someone has pics of FL WW1 figs or any opinions fire away.

Armchair Warrior

 

[maddadicus]

Guys,

Anyone out there pick up K&C poilus and display them with British figures released in 2009(eg. FW044). They don't match up in size/scale. Poilus are too big. Brits actually look somewhat compatible with 1/30 vehicles. I am very disappointed that I waited 6 years for WW1 late war new releases and we get allies fighting side by side who do not match up. Where do I go, should I get FL WW1 Stuff. Any pics?, are the Germans and French the same size? I've never been a rivet counter but maybe I am becoming a button counter or something. K&C has had this issue before, some WW2 Germans way smaller than US airborne. WHY CAN'T THEY GET IT RIGHT. The worst part is the figures are good, a bit better than JJD in facial sculpting/painting but JJD'S French, Brits and Aussies match up with each other in size although the poilus faces have different shading.

Anyway, if someone has pics of FL WW1 figs or any opinions fire away.

Armchair Warrior

First off, it is not any mfg's responsibility for them to make their figures match up to anyone else. All the individual mfgs. are in competition, not complimentation..:rolleyes2:Michael

 

[lancer]

Guys,

Anyone out there pick up K&C poilus and display them with British figures released in 2009(eg. FW044). They don't match up in size/scale. Poilus are too big. Brits actually look somewhat compatible with 1/30 vehicles. I am very disappointed that I waited 6 years for WW1 late war new releases and we get allies fighting side by side who do not match up. Where do I go, should I get FL WW1 Stuff. Any pics?, are the Germans and French the same size? I've never been a rivet counter but maybe I am becoming a button counter or something. K&C has had this issue before, some WW2 Germans way smaller than US airborne. WHY CAN'T THEY GET IT RIGHT. The worst part is the figures are good, a bit better than JJD in facial sculpting/painting but JJD'S French, Brits and Aussies match up with each other in size although the poilus faces have different shading.

Anyway, if someone has pics of FL WW1 figs or any opinions fire away.

Armchair Warrior

I have Poilus from KC, JJD, TGM, FL, and ONWTC. I display the JJD and FL together because they compliment each other size-wise. KC and TGM go well together for the same reason. As you discovered, KC are large and will not, IMO, display well with JJD or FL. My displays consist of Poilus only, so I don't know about size variances with the British, Australian, or German figures. Because of the many French vehicle options and current and upcoming artillery options, I am concentrating on JJD Poilus, with several FL figures as compliments. Size and lack of other options have led me to halt buying the later war KC and TGM figures. It was a matter of what offered the most in flexibility in figure poses, guns, and vehicles. -- Al

 

[marco55]

I think AW is upset that KC's own figures don't match up with each other and he is trying to find French that will match his KC's Germans.
Mark

 

[Phantom Warrior]

If the glove don't fit, you must acquit. ^&grin

Sometimes deliberately and sometimes by accident, all the manufacturers have come out with odd sizes. And that is the way it is.

Terry

 

[jazzeum]

Being the cynic that I am, more deliberately than not.

 

[mikemiller1955]

I'm pretty sure that manufacturers don't always confer on producing matching scale size figures...
but I would guess sometimes they do...
or else sometimes use their competitors as a model in size...

so it's hard to be mad at K&C for not trying to match WB...

K&C is their own company as is WB...

they produce what they think is best...
and both are very good at it...

I can't really speak on the size of the WB Poulis as compared to any other manufacturer in scale size...
or to the Poulis matching up with Germans of other manufacturers...

but...I do collect TG...K&C and JJD Poulis...

the TG and JJD are an extremely good match in size...
in my opinion...
a perfect match...

the K&C Poulis are just a tad bigger...
but don't stick out like a sore thumb at all...

I use them all in the same diorama and am pleased with them...

 

[Empire MM]

Guys,

Anyone out there pick up K&C poilus and display them with British figures released in 2009(eg. FW044). They don't match up in size/scale. Poilus are too big. Brits actually look somewhat compatible with 1/30 vehicles. I am very disappointed that I waited 6 years for WW1 late war new releases and we get allies fighting side by side who do not match up. Where do I go, should I get FL WW1 Stuff. Any pics?, are the Germans and French the same size? I've never been a rivet counter but maybe I am becoming a button counter or something. K&C has had this issue before, some WW2 Germans way smaller than US airborne. WHY CAN'T THEY GET IT RIGHT. The worst part is the figures are good, a bit better than JJD in facial sculpting/painting but JJD'S French, Brits and Aussies match up with each other in size although the poilus faces have different shading.

Anyway, if someone has pics of FL WW1 figs or any opinions fire away.

Armchair Warrior

Hi,

You may be interested in the WW1 figures we produce as they do match up perfectly to W Britain. I know because I have them in my collection! We currently have a good range of Belgian figures and BEF figures available.

You can view them here http://www.empiremm.co.uk/epages/es782307.sf/en_GB/?ObjectPath=/Shops/es782307/Categories/WW1and buy direct or, if you prefer, from Treefrog http://www.treefrogtreasures.com/c-3624-world-war-i.aspx

I will be releasing plenty more figures in the range over the next 18 months and we will also be at the Chicago show with Treefrog Treasures.

Message me if I can help further sir!

Malcolm.:salute::

 

[Empire MM]

Hi,

You may be interested in the WW1 figures we produce as they do match up perfectly to W Britain. I know because I have them in my collection! We currently have a good range of Belgian figures and BEF figures available.

You can view them here http://www.empiremm.co.uk/epages/es782307.sf/en_GB/?ObjectPath=/Shops/es782307/Categories/WW1and buy direct or, if you prefer, from Treefrog http://www.treefrogtreasures.com/c-3624-world-war-i.aspx

I will be releasing plenty more figures in the range over the next 18 months and we will also be at the Chicago show with Treefrog Treasures.

Message me if I can help further sir!

Malcolm.:salute::

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To help you further, here are a few images of one of our Belgian figures mixed with figures from a variety of manufacturers, including W Britain, JJD, K&C.

 

[Artillery_crazy]

Hi Mike,

Fully agree on your explanations but we have to also agree that there is only one measurement for 1:32, 1:54 etc......so if the Royal Measurement is obayed by many other industries our friends manufacturers should also obey no excuses given.....if it is 1:32 then it is 1:32 or esle put a disclaimer that they do not follow the scale convention...
Cheers
Luiz

I'm pretty sure that manufacturers don't always confer on producing matching scale size figures...
but I would guess sometimes they do...
or else sometimes use their competitors as a model in size...

so it's hard to be mad at K&C for not trying to match WB...

K&C is their own company as is WB...

they produce what they think is best...
and both are very good at it...

I can't really speak on the size of the WB Poulis as compared to any other manufacturer in scale size...
or to the Poulis matching up with Germans of other manufacturers...

but...I do collect TG...K&C and JJD Poulis...

the TG and JJD are an extremely good match in size...
in my opinion...
a perfect match...

the K&C Poulis are just a tad bigger...
but don't stick out like a sore thumb at all...

I use them all in the same diorama and am pleased with them...

 

[King & Country]

Hi Guys,

Interesting thread...At last year’s Chicago Show my brother Gordon did a crafty little experiment...In our room at the show we had a diorama of our WW1 “Poilus” capturing a German strong point. During his travels around the show Gordon bought a couple of JJD’s “Poilus” and put them into the middle of our little French diorama...He didn’t tell me he had placed them in among our own pieces and I only discovered it about six hours later!!! Actually they worked pretty well together.

On a related matter just recently I was down in Australia visiting K&C collectors and dealers. In Peter Nathan’s excellent shop in Sydney, Peter utilized both John’s and K&C’s “Gallipoli” figures in a diorama about the Battle of “Lone Pine”...Again, they seemed to fit together scale wise and stylistically too...

Now, of course, I can’t say every single figure of every single range will be compatible with other companies but in these two particular instances they did, to my eyes anyway, work perfectly well in tandem. Just my tuppence worth...Best wishes and happy collecting!

Andy​

 

[Empire MM]

Hi Mike,

Fully agree on your explanations but we have to also agree that there is only one measurement for 1:32, 1:54 etc......so if the Royal Measurement is obayed by many other industries our friends manufacturers should also obey no excuses given.....if it is 1:32 then it is 1:32 or esle put a disclaimer that they do not follow the scale convention...
Cheers
Luiz

Hi Luiz,

Got to say that I agree with you fully. Let me offer my explanation for how this manufacturer approached this thorny subject as a new entrant last year.

The obvious start point was, where do we want to fit and also, what would fit within my collection? The majority of my personal collection figures are 1/32 as I mainly collect WB and JJD, with some old K&C in there (at the time, I have since bought new K&C figures, including the Poilus). So, 1/32 was my desired route. The came the question, how to measure them and how? We decided on foot to eye being 54mm, with overall height generally being around 58mm when including the base / headgear.

We then "checked" the initial sculpts to see how they sat and all was good (and still is!). We did the same with the pre production (and still do) and the final product s, checks are made. Our factory do say that we can lose between 2 & 5% in size during production but so far, all has been good. (part of using a very experienced and quality factory I guess?).

Within my own collection, I have K&C that, although being 1/30 scale, do fit, purely down to where I place them in the cabinets or dios. My Empire figures sit perfectly with my JJD and WB figures, so that is good and our ECW figures are totally different to P&M in style and accuracy for the Marston Moor battle that they do not sit together in my display but on different shelves. (Yes, I have some of K&C's ECW too)

So, as in many other walks of life, size is subjective but should not place a barrier to you having what you desire. Manufacturers should however, stick to the code and decide which camp they sit in, 1/30 or 1/32, you cannot be both, can you?

Great thread by the way :salute::

 

[lancer]

To help you further, here are a few images of one of our Belgian figures mixed with figures from a variety of manufacturers, including W Britain, JJD, K&C.

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Nice comparison photos. It does emphasize just how much larger the KC, TGM, and Del Prado figures are when compared to Empire, Britains, and JJD. The same would be true had an FL figure been included. The FL will match-up with the Empire, Britains, and JJD, but will be dwarfed next to KC, TGM, and Del Prado. -- Al

 

[jazzeum]

All this talk about the Royal Measurement -- whatever that may be -- is rather quaint. This is a business and manufacturers have no incentive to make their product the same size as those of other manufacturers. They want you to buy their product and their product alone so they will keep it at a size that fits them. If it happens to go with other manufacturers' products, it's a happy coincidence but by keeping it at their size, they help ensure that you will purchase their product. Let's not be naïve here.

 

[marco55]

This can backfire on them as if a lot of collectors might collect a popular range from a manufacturer (say Britain's AZW) already and might like to get some different pieces from another manufacturer but decide against it because of the size and style.
Mark

 

[Empire MM]

This can backfire on them as if a lot of collectors might collect a popular range from a manufacturer (say Britain's AZW) already and might like to get some different pieces from another manufacturer but decide against it because of the size and style.
Mark

To be honest, that is why Empire is set at the size we are. To compliment existing collections by WB, JJD and FL. (we could have gone the other way but, I prefer that scale and, as I own the brand, I got my own way )

:salute::

 

[Empire MM]

Hi Guys,

Interesting thread...At last year’s Chicago Show my brother Gordon did a crafty little experiment...In our room at the show we had a diorama of our WW1 “Poilus” capturing a German strong point. During his travels around the show Gordon bought a couple of JJD’s “Poilus” and put them into the middle of our little French diorama...He didn’t tell me he had placed them in among our own pieces and I only discovered it about six hours later!!! Actually they worked pretty well together.

On a related matter just recently I was down in Australia visiting K&C collectors and dealers. In Peter Nathan’s excellent shop in Sydney, Peter utilized both John’s and K&C’s “Gallipoli” figures in a diorama about the Battle of “Lone Pine”...Again, they seemed to fit together scale wise and stylistically too...

Now, of course, I can’t say every single figure of every single range will be compatible with other companies but in these two particular instances they did, to my eyes anyway, work perfectly well in tandem. Just my tuppence worth...Best wishes and happy collecting!

Andy​

I did a similar thing to a friend last week whilst visiting. It took him about 3 days to spot the figure I had gifted him and his diorama. Made us both smile.

Like I said to you at Christmas Andy, this hobby is big enough for us all to have some fun {sm4}

Cheers,

Malcolm.

P.S. Love that dio BTW.

 

[marco55]

Although it's obvious in a lot of cases sometimes I think we all "look" a little too hard to spot the differences.Look at UKREB he uses everybody's figures in his dios and they look great.
Mark

 

[Artillery_crazy]

Fantastic explanation again could not be better said....along with Malcolm´s note on a separate part of this great and sometimes thorny topic{sm4}{sm4}..
As I said and you and Malcolm summed up...the idea is to grow our collections and as in all things we have defined measurements to follow....if you can accommodate two or more manufacturers with same scale/as close as possible ....in your collection the better the chances are that you will have a richer collection in your hands..{sm4}{sm4}
Just like you I also mix sources as long as they have a compatible scale .......

Cheers
Luiz

Hi Luiz,

Got to say that I agree with you fully. Let me offer my explanation for how this manufacturer approached this thorny subject as a new entrant last year.

The obvious start point was, where do we want to fit and also, what would fit within my collection? The majority of my personal collection figures are 1/32 as I mainly collect WB and JJD, with some old K&C in there (at the time, I have since bought new K&C figures, including the Poilus). So, 1/32 was my desired route. The came the question, how to measure them and how? We decided on foot to eye being 54mm, with overall height generally being around 58mm when including the base / headgear.

We then "checked" the initial sculpts to see how they sat and all was good (and still is!). We did the same with the pre production (and still do) and the final product s, checks are made. Our factory do say that we can lose between 2 & 5% in size during production but so far, all has been good. (part of using a very experienced and quality factory I guess?).

Within my own collection, I have K&C that, although being 1/30 scale, do fit, purely down to where I place them in the cabinets or dios. My Empire figures sit perfectly with my JJD and WB figures, so that is good and our ECW figures are totally different to P&M in style and accuracy for the Marston Moor battle that they do not sit together in my display but on different shelves. (Yes, I have some of K&C's ECW too)

So, as in many other walks of life, size is subjective but should not place a barrier to you having what you desire. Manufacturers should however, stick to the code and decide which camp they sit in, 1/30 or 1/32, you cannot be both, can you?

Great thread by the way :salute::

 

[Artillery_crazy]

Hi Jazzeum,
I get your point....but I would prefer to retain my customer fidelity by coming up every time and again with a new set or range that will make him buy from me so incentivating him to grow his collection and opportunities to expand his ranges and still allow him to compliment his collection by mixing with other manufactures outputs other than to " hold him captive " to my series because it is of a diffirent scale and will not match to others in a big collection or diorama lay out....

We are old enough to remember the VHS verus BETAX war....and we all know what happened to SONY and BETAX....you can see them in a museum but not at your local Best Buy.....^&grin^&grin Having said that not even the VHS can be found at your Best Buy now a days ....... technology advances took care of that too........I guess if we remember that we are Jurassic hahaha...

As to Royal Measurement....that is something we learnt at school....

Cheers

Luiz

All this talk about the Royal Measurement -- whatever that may be -- is rather quaint. This is a business and manufacturers have no incentive to make their product the same size as those of other manufacturers. They want you to buy their product and their product alone so they will keep it at a size that fits them. If it happens to go with other manufacturers' products, it's a happy coincidence but by keeping it at their size, they help ensure that you will purchase their product. Let's not be naïve here.