king tiger ambush camo help (1 Viewer)

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hallo
I would like to know if the german king tiger tank ever received a ambush 3colours/dots camo with SOFT edges by any ABT at any time in the war ?
I would appreciate a pic if possible or suggestions about this issue will be greately appreciated
Thasnks very much for your reply
stefano
 
hallo
I would like to know if the german king tiger tank ever received a ambush 3colours/dots camo with SOFT edges by any ABT at any time in the war ?
I would appreciate a pic if possible or suggestions about this issue will be greately appreciated
Thasnks very much for your reply
stefano

Wow! And I thought I was detail specific. But this one is beyond even me. :eek::D At 1:30 scale would it even be possible to tell the difference.?:confused:

Terry
 
Hi Terry
I am
asking for painting a model of the german king tiger in 1/16 scale by tamiya that looks like this
www.1999.co.jp/eng/image/10023766a/20/1
So i need to be very concern about the level of details this baby needs
I cannot find any pic of soft edge ambush camo scheme so i would like same experienced modeller to help me
stefano
 
The thing that jumps out at me when I first look at the picture of the model (more than the soft edges) is the strange brown they are using. I'm not sure what color they are trying to do but it certainly isn't RAL8017.

IMO something like this would be closer to the truth:

tigeriicl_3.jpg


TigerII_small.jpg
 
Hi Terry
I am
asking for painting a model of the german king tiger in 1/16 scale by tamiya that looks like this
www.1999.co.jp/eng/image/10023766a/20/1
So i need to be very concern about the level of details this baby needs
I cannot find any pic of soft edge ambush camo scheme so i would like same experienced modeller to help me
stefano

I think Frank is correct to question the colour of the painted model.

As for soft-edged camo - It is likely that the King Tigers with an ambush pattern were painted in the factory using spray painting and were likely soft edged. But I think it would be very difficult to distinguish between hard-edged and soft-edged in a black and white photo from 1944.

Terry
 
Rule of thumb for determining hard or soft edge camo on german armour is if it has straight linesits hard edge if the camo is wavy it is soft edge. Most king tigers had soft edge and ambush was very common in the battle of the bulge.
 
Hi guys
most of the pics i have seen seem to be hard edges with the ambush camo
www.sspanzer501.com/tanks_of_ss501.htm

I also spotted one that seems to be painted differently the 222
www.sspanzer.com/222LeftShadowsWithBalkenkreuz.jpg
what to make of it?
stefano

The factory paint schemes, of which "ambush" is one, generally had hard edges. I say generally because I don't like to speak in absolutes when talking about WWII German AFV camouflage. I'll try to post a few pics tonight.
 
This is another one of those questions with an uncertain answer - in fact some King Tigers had hard edged patterns and some had soft edged so either one is probably OK. The reason for this is field sprayed or field brushed vs factory sprayed at different time periods vs. when King Tigers were being produced.

Standard practice from February, 1943 until late August, 1944 was to spray paint the disruptive colours over the factory applied base coat in the field which resulted in soft edged camouflage. If no spray equipment was available, the disruptive colours were field applied using a brush giving a hard edge.

The disruptive pattern was introduced in mid-August 1944 ( Dunkelgelb base and Olivgrün and Schokoladenbraun disruptive colours plus dots) so some King Tigers were field painted with the disruptive colours and dots for a few weeks. After August, 1944, camouflage was applied at the factory, and hard edges were supposed to be standard, though some factories ignored this. Approximately 379 King Tigers were produced in 1944, so some were field painted with soft edges and sometimes with hard edges, and the later ones were factory painted with the ambush pattern had mostly hard edges but some had soft edges.

This disruptive pattern was replaced in November 1944 with Dark Red Primer factory base coat and some combination of Dunkelgelb, Olivgrün, Schwartzgrau disruptive pattern.

It seems the definitive ambush pattern was factory applied for only a few months August - October 1944 and most had soft edges.

Terry
 
hallo Terry
thanks very much for your reply
i have really appreciated the very competent and excellent review of this complicated issue
thanks again stefano
 

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