New Revolutionary War figures (1 Viewer)

[Kurt]

Regarding the new Revolutionary War releases, the pants are white on the artillery figures and light-yellowish on all the other figures. Why is this?

 

[Fusilier]

I think this is just an easy compromise for the K & C painters. Very few Continental regiments would have had the complete uniformity represented by these figures, whether you are talking overalls/breeches or especially regimental coats.

Personally, I prefer the look of the artillery crew more than the upcoming infantry. Mostly for the fact the artillery crew looks a little more ragged, ie, the torn out knees and dirty pant cuffs.

Noah

 

[Hans]

Personally, I prefer the look of the artillery crew more than the upcoming infantry. Mostly for the fact the artillery crew looks a little more ragged, ie, the torn out knees and dirty pant cuffs.

Noah

Me too; this (3.) artillery will be an good add on to the other, earlier two canons/teams from 2000/2001.

 

[Capitolron]

I think any additions to the AWI Range is a VERY POSITIVE THING !

The Artillery Set does look great - but, once again - "with the patch thing" - it is going to cause me only to buy one set

You cannot have a three or four Artillery Battery with each Gunner with the same rip or tear in his pants ! It ruins the larger diorama abilities with this set.

I can understand maybe having one set like this - but there should be another set released at the same time with a standard/more uniform look - that allows you to buy several of the same set.

Being Unique is Nice - but, it limits Multiple Purchases ! IMHO.

 

[Fusilier]

Ron-

Wish I could afford to have the same problem! Still, I am really looking forward to this set. A similar set on the British side would be welcome as well. I could really see the potential there for a battery set up. How about about two distinct gun crews in different poses? That would be cool.

Noah

 

[Capitolron]

Noah

I agree there should be a two gun set that comes out with Artillery - If we are going to have these "PATCHES" figures.

Here are some pics of Artillery figures WITHOUT special features. Here you can see the ability to buy several of the same sets and create a Artillery Battery !

These figures can be moved in different positions to give the look and feel of another Artillery Team - all the while using the same set !

These are NAPOLEONICS AND AMERICAN REVOLUTION Artillery Sets:

 

[Capitolron]

Even the Modern Artillery of WWII - from King & Country - lends it self to the creation of several set BATTERY !

These K&C British and German WWII Artillery Sets - "WITHOUT PATCHES" - allows the collector to buy several of the same set to create the Battery in action.

 

[Capitolron]

NOW - I present to you ...

THE PATCHES COLLECTION !




Alamo and American War of Independence

Here you can see that the special features of PATCHES and TORN PANTS - make it impossible for a collector to buy more than one set. I mean how many soldiers tear and repair their uniforms in the SAME SPOT !

I like the idea of having these figures - don't get me wrong, they are GREAT SETS ! But, we need those other sets which allow you to buy multiples to set up Batteries and work those PATCHES Sets in to create a GREAT SCENE !

 

[Fusilier]

Ron-
Don't get me wrong, I do see your point. You illustrated it very well with these pics.

However, for those of us who are only needing (or can afford) one artillery set, this upcoming release is great. What more could the AWI collector ask for! In my mind, the look of these gun crew figures is just what I would picture.

Noah

 

[OldDragon]

IMO ... the patches add authencity to to the gunners. What is needed to create a realistic looking battery are, additional guns sold separately and a couple more of gunner sets.

Then we can really mix and match to build a varied & realistic battery.

OD

 

[Capitolron]

IMO ... the patches add authencity to to the gunners. What is needed to create a realistic looking battery are, additional guns sold separately and a couple more of gunner sets.

Then we can really mix and match to build a varied & realistic battery.

OD

I think that is what I have been saying - isn't it ?

 

[Capitolron]

Ron-
Don't get me wrong, I do see your point. You illustrated it very well with these pics.

However, for those of us who are only needing (or can afford) one artillery set, this upcoming release is great. What more could the AWI collector ask for! In my mind, the look of these gun crew figures is just what I would picture.

Noah

Noah

No question - I love the look of the "PATCHES" too - but, I would like to buy more than one gun set.

I have said that all K&C releases are wonderful and I look forward to having the Artillery Set in my Collection. It is a great day when we get new AWI releases from K&C !

I just think the "patches" marketing strategy limits sales - when it comes to a larger item like a Artillery Set. IMHO.

Ron

 

[noli-poli]

...also, what is the difference in the hat piping colors? The earlier releases had white piping, the new ones are plain black and the artillery soldiers had yellow. The cuffs in the new ones are white and the earlier releases are tan. Did every State had different uniform colors?

N-P

 

[Fusilier]

N-P
To answer your question, the lace trim on the hats didn't really have a set issuance. Some would have it, others not. Probably more likely for an officer and certainly more common later in the war. By then, with uniforms supplied from France, some patriot commanders would try to out do each other with the uniform embellishments, like the hat lace.

As to the color on the regimental coats, that is much more complicated. Before 1778, there was a huge array of colors and combinations for the coats and thier facings (the cuff and lapels). Originally, Congress chose a brown coat with red facings as the uniform. However, after thousands of uniforms arrived from France, the official coat color was changed to blue.

By Oct. 1779, there was an order issued by Gen. Washington for the following in reference to the uniforms:

New Hampshire, Massachusetts, Connetticut, Rhode Island-blue coats with white facings
New York and New Jersey-blue coats with buff facings
Pennsylvania, Delaware, Maryland, Virginia-blue coats with red facings
The Carolinas and Georgia-blue coats with blue facings and white lace trim on button holes

While this was the order, compliance was not accomplished for many regiments. Even in the last couple of years of the war, some Continental troops had no coat, only a hunting shirt, just like K & C's militia figures.

So far, K & C has followed the uniform order of Washington with thier releases: the 1st New York had the blue/buff coat and the upcoming Rhode Island in the appropriate blue/white combo. The upcoming artillery set is correct too, in that they mostly wore the blue/red coat as well, with some gold lace trim around the button holes.

Noah

 

[theBaron]

Regarding the new Revolutionary War releases, the pants are white on the artillery figures and light-yellowish on all the other figures. Why is this?

I'd like to add to Fusilier's excellent post about the coat colors and lace patterns adopted for the Continental army by Congress:

Various materials were used to make clothing. Cloth and animal skin were both used. The white of the Rhode Island Artillery company probably represents linen or canvas, which may have been dyed white, or pipeclayed to be white. I have to check my sources (Mollo, for one) to confirm whether that is correct for the Rhode Island train, but I suspect that it is.

Other figures who are wearing buff (the yellowish-white color) could represent soldiers wearing buck- or calfskin breeches, or breeches made of cloth, that was dyed to a buff color.

Prost!
Brad

 

[Ken & Ericka Osen/H&A Studio]

As and added note...the buff coloured smallclothes (vests and breeches or trousers) wear often made of unbleached linen. This is a little less expensive to use than the white, or bleached linen. Unbleached linen is almost an oatmeal colour, and bleached linen can be quite bright white when new.
Units issued with colored smallclothes were almost certainly wool.
Cotton was still very expensive and was not usually used on enlisted mens clothing until the end of the eighteenth/first part of the nineteenth century.
Buckskin breeches were made from deerhide and were very durable and were the first choice for officers that had mounts. These were also popular...if they could be procured, for artillery units. Depending on the tanning process this material can range from white to a yellowish cream colour in it's natural state.
Pipe-clay could be used to minimize the staining on clothing and belting...it seems that it worked better for this purpose on wool clothing and the buff leather belts used for cartridge boxes and bayonet belts. Although pipeclay as issued was white, it could be tinted to use on buff belting too.
Hope this helps.

 

[noli-poli]

N-P
To answer your question, ...

Noah

Thanks. So, you cannot really mix the the figures to make it look like they are all from the same unit or command
NP

 

[Fusilier]

N-P
Well, if you want to mix the uniforms from the different regimental releases, then by all means, do what you want for your display. For what it is worth, in my opinion, if you do so, then the pieces could represent the junction of two units. It could be where the flanks of two regiments meet in the battle line or one unit reinforcing the other.

It was common that a number of regiments would be assigned to serve in a brigade together. Sometimes these brigade would consist of regiments from one state or geographic area, but not always. Even when the regiments in a brigade were all from the same state, there was no guarantee that each regiment would have the same uniform. This was especially true early in the war.

Noah

 

[maddadicus]

Noah

No question - I love the look of the "PATCHES" too - but, I would like to buy more than one gun set.

I have said that all K&C releases are wonderful and I look forward to having the Artillery Set in my Collection. It is a great day when we get new AWI releases from K&C !

I just think the "patches" marketing strategy limits sales - when it comes to a larger item like a Artillery Set. IMHO.

Ron

K/C could solve this problem easily. They could make an add on 2 man set of nondescript artillerymen. Then you could mix and match..Michael

 

[noli-poli]

N-P
Well, if you want to mix the uniforms from the different regimental releases, then by all means.."

Noah

Thanks again. I am thinking of getting the artillery piece supporting the NY Regiment
NP