Origin/History of the Glossy Figure (1 Viewer)

Currahee Chris

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Hey gang:

So I was just curious as to what the origin or history of the glossy figure is. I have seen a lot of toys from the early 20th Century and it appears as if they aren't really made or coated in gloss? Why was this finish ever created?

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CC
 
Glossy toys go back a long way, Chris, as do playthings or small models - the original meaning of the word "toy" - with matte finishes. It often depended on the paints the maker had available.

I think the fact that the enamel paints used were hard-wearing and could stand up to playroom battles was a big factor in their use.

Many flats, on the other hand, were painted in colors that dried to a flat or semi-gloss finish.

The emergence of the toy soldier, painted in matte colors to more exacting standards of detail, what we would consider a miniature as opposed to a toy, began in earnest just before WWII. The British Model Soldier Society's group project to paint Britains' castings of Waterloo British infantry is a milestone on that road, as are the efforts of some toy soldier manufacturers, such as Jones and Warren, who aspired to produce something of better quality than other manufacturers made. Same goes for Comet/Authenticast in the late 30s and into the 40s. In Europe, you have the examples of Mme. Desfontaines, and Vertunni, and the Belgian gentleman who traded as MiM, but whose name escapes me, all departing in various degrees from the more toylike figures of CBG-Mignot, Heyde, Haffner, et al.

But all the while, toy soldiers were still mostly painted and sold in hard-wearing gloss enamels.

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Brad
 
Durability is the most important factor.

In fact before the last half of the twentieth century you were more likely to find durable gloss finishes used far more than we see today, including in interior design, machinery and household goods. Remember that a flat or matte surface reflects light differently than a gloss finish because the surface is not as smooth. This means that the flat finish is more likely to show signs of handling, or get marred.

Even I can admit that a that a figure with a gloss coat has an aesthetically more appealing appearance!
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Ken
 
To echo Kens comments, my wife and i recentlysat down and tried an experiment in mass painting-we sell toy soldiers-

so we had a lot of castings of similar figures- we split them up and went to work. they were actually castings of a Britains Redcoat figure similar to the ones pictured in this thread.(no we DID NOT recast these, we found them in an estate collection).

Long story short- my wife was dismayed at the difference in quality she was producing- we were painting in Andrea mattes paints. I told her not to worry - when we are done we are going to spray gloss the lot.

The appearance of the figures improved greatly, and they have a certain robust appearance. The figures lined up on the shelf look fantastic, and she is happy with the result.

hey- people like shiny things!


Did anyone comprehend the part about my wife painted toy soldiers with me? She is awesome! She wants to do a Competition piece now for the the next IPMS show.
Grant
 
hey- people like shiny things!


Did anyone comprehend the part about my wife painted toy soldiers with me? She is awesome! She wants to do a Competition piece now for the the next IPMS show.
Grant

Roger that- of course, you are in godo company as Ken's wife, Erica, also is quite involved with the hobby. {sm4}

Thanks for the comments fellas- has been enlightening. I had no idea mattes were in existence that long.
 
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We have all met! The question is what scale and what figure she will do- she like a lot of the NA indians in my grey army. Figures I am not prepared to surrender!

I like the glossy finish on finely painted figures-keeps the roots alive.

Grant
 
Has anyone ever done Romans in Glossy?? I cannot ever recall seeing that

Seems to me like certain time periods seem to be more popular in gloss- Durbar, WW1, Victorian era, etc.
 
Has anyone ever done Romans in Glossy?? I cannot ever recall seeing that

Seems to me like certain time periods seem to be more popular in gloss- Durbar, WW1, Victorian era, etc.

Mignot has Romans in their catalog; I think they go back to one of the original firms that gradually merged into the present-day company, maybe it was Lucotte. Their finish isn't entirely glossy like old Britains, though. Heyde had Romans, they'd qualify as glossy toy soldiers. They also produced a magnificent set, "The Triumph of Germanicus", Germanicus' triumph in Rome after his successful campaign on the Rhein.

King-White/Reeves had Ancient Greeks, I think they had Romans, too, but I'll have to doublecheck my catalogs to confirm. They produced figures in both gloss and matte--the style of the painting was the same, the "Chinese style", sort of the ancestor of the style of early K&C or Frontline, just some figures were left with a matte finish, others were coated with gloss lacquer.

I'd have to look through O'Brien's "Collecting Toy Soldiers" for more references, but the Romans were a popular subject. I'm trying to remember now, if any of the American toy soldier makers had any Romans in their catalogs. I don't think Barclay or Manoil did, but Jones might have.

Congrats, Chris, on another great thread! You come up with good topics.

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Brad
 
Has anyone ever done Romans in Glossy?? I cannot ever recall seeing that

Seems to me like certain time periods seem to be more popular in gloss- Durbar, WW1, Victorian era, etc.

Soldiers of the World/Regal make some lovely glossy Romans, a complete range.


Paulo
 
Has anyone ever done Romans in Glossy?? I cannot ever recall seeing that

Seems to me like certain time periods seem to be more popular in gloss- Durbar, WW1, Victorian era, etc.

Alymer did. I have a set. If you want it, I'll give it to you.
 
Regal/SoW has a rather extensive catalog and everything they do is top notch, high gloss finish. I think matte finish can be requested. -- Al
 
did companies like Britains actually bake that gloss on?

Also, Baron, I think you left out Cortenay.
 
After kicking around the Hack show yesterday, Glossy figures seem to be really making a strong comeback. Lots of dealers selling that stuff. I also got to see more Roman Glossies as well!!
 
did companies like Britains actually bake that gloss on?

Also, Baron, I think you left out Cortenay.

Thanks, Gideon! Yes, I forgot about his line.

Regarding Britains and the finish on their old toy soldiers, as far as I know, the finish was solely due to using gloss enamel paints. I don't think there was a firing process involved. For one thing, if the temperature gets too hot, it would damage the thin hollow castings--not melt, but allow them to soften to the point where they would distort.

I think that Barclay or Manoil used a drying process, after the base OD color was laid down and before the facial details were painted, but I also think that the base color was applied either by dipping figures attached to a frame into a vat of paint, or it was sprayed on. Then the figures were dried before detailing. I'll have to re-read the appropriate chapters in O'Brien's book; that's where I recall having read the story.

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Brad
 

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