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Guys,

I have to ask the members here, we are mostly of a older generation and we all played with guns be it toys or real ones, we all had our issues growing up be it a fist fight, standing up to a bully etc. etc. Where and why did it become ok to pick up a gun and kill your classmates??? Have we failed as parents more then the kids doing the shooting??? TV, Movies?? How has our country come to this??...Sammy
 
What has changed is 24/7 News coverage.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/School_shootings_in_the_United_States#19th_century
Nothing compared to drug related deaths in teenagers to include drugged Teen Drivers. Motor vehicle crashes are the leading cause of death for U.S. teens. Six teens ages 16 to 19 die every day from motor vehicle injuries.

Almost all violet teen deaths can be attributed to the break down of nuclear families


19th century
totals killed: 24, injured: 30 +
School-children killed: 14 (2 unintentionally)
break-down
In the decades 1840s and 1850s 1 Professor, 2 schoolmasters, and 1 schoolchild were (4) killed.
During the 1860s, 2 students, 2 teachers were (4) killed, 1 student was (1) injured.
During the 1870s, 1 schoolchild (unintentionally), 1 university student, 1 Professor, (3) killed. During the same decade 2 schoolteachers, 1 schoolchild (unintentionally), and 1 superintendent of the stables were (4) injured.
During the 1880s, 1 schoolmaster and 1 schoolteacher (female) were (2) killed, 6 schoolchildren (3 unintentionally), (6) injured.
During the 1890s, 10 schoolchildren (1 unintentionally) and 1 schoolteacher were (11) killed, 4 schoolchildren (plus 14 where the victims descriptions weren't given, and another, where the indicated number was reported as "several") and 1 high school Professor, (19 +) injured.

20th century
totals
killed by gun-shot, or as a result of gun-shot: 13, 10, 5, 9, 11, 14, 28, 34, 46, 84 (254) injured: 5, 14 +, 5, 4, 4, 8, 65, 73, 87, 131 (406)
Of the 254 total, there were 114 school-children killed, (of these, 14 were killed unintentionally, 11 died by suicide plus 1 by the execution of a suicide pact, and 1 by Russian Roulette). Not included in the group but still relevant were; 1 intruder at a school aged about 16, 1 infant, and 1 foetus in the womb of a school-child.
break-down
During the 1900's, 8 students (1 unintentionally), 2 parents of schoolchildren, 3 teachers (1 by suicide, 1 unintentionally) (13) were killed; 3 students (1 unintentionally), 1 professor (of a school) and 1 teacher, (5) were injured.
1910's, 7 schoolchildren (3 unintentionally) 1 intruder at a school (of about 16 years of age), 1 parent of a schoolchild and 1 schoolteacher, (10) were killed, 4 schoolchildren (2 unintentionally), 3 schoolteachers (1 unintentionally), 2 university Professors, 1 parent of a schoolchild, (plus 1 source shows "several", 1 source shows "4 were wounded"), (14 +) were injured.
1920's, 1 professor of a school, 1 parent of a schoolchild (unintentionally), 3 schoolchildren (1 unintentionally) (5) were killed, 2 boys (both unintentionally) and 3 schoolteachers (5) were injured.
1930's, 2 headmasters, 2 teachers (1 unintentionally), 1 university instructor, 3 university students (2 by suicide), 1 schoolchild (unintentionally) (9) were killed, 1 university student, 1 principal, and 1 schoolchild (self-injury) (4) were injured.
1940's, 1 superintendent of district schools, 1 principal, 1 school district business manager, 4 school teachers, 2 schoolchildren (1 by her father, 1 unintentionally), 1 university student and 1 addition individual (suicide of estranged husband of teacher) (11) were killed; 1 school secretary, 1 schoolteacher (self-injury), 2 schoolchildren (1 unintentionally) (4) were injured.
1950's, 1 quartermaster of a military academy, 1 professor and superintendent, 1 intruder (by police services), 2 schoolchildren plus 1 high school freshman, 1 school dean, 1 university secretary, 2 schoolchildren (unintentionally), 2 university students (one perpetrator alcoholically drunk, one perp deemed insane), 1 school teacher, (14) killed, 4 schoolchildren, 2 university students (perpetrators were drunk), 1 athletics coach, 1 schoolteacher (8) injured.
1960's, 3 schoolteachers (1 was not the intended target), 3 school principals (1 by suicide), 1 assistant principal, 5 schoolchildren (1 unintentionally), 2 school seniors (1 unintentionally), 1 school administrator, 3 at a university civil rights protest (by police services), 2 university students, (plus source shows 17 at a university), 1 infant, 4 college students, (28) killed, 1 teacher, 3 schoolchildren, 1 college student, 1 infant, 1 school athletic director, 27 at a university civil rights protest, (plus source shows 31 at a university) (65) injured.
1970's, 1 university professor, 3 schoolchildren (1 unintentionally), 1 high-school senior, 6 students (at two separate university protest), 7 at a university library, 1 university student (suicide), 3 teachers, 1 school superintendent, 4 school principals, a high-school athletics director, 2 passers-by, 1 by-stander, 1 custodial maintenance at a school, 1 school custodian, an elementary-school janitor, (34) killed, 1 university professor, 14 schoolchildren (2 unintentionally) plus 12 high-school students plus 1 "youth" , 21 (at two separate university protest), 4 at a university, 1 teacher, an assistant school superintendent, 1 university student, 11 passers-by, 2 police officers, 2 at a university library, 1 high-school principal, 1 individual arriving from externally to a school committing vandalism, (73) were injured.
1980's, 5 seniors (2 by suicide), 22 junior (5 by suicide, 1 unintentionally), 3 teachers, 1 substitute teacher, 1 principal, 1 assistant principal, 2 university student (by police services), 1 college professor, 1 university resident advisor, 1 university teacher, 1 associate professor, 1 Masters university student (suicide), 1 night janitor (by suicide), 2 previous student (dropped-out, 1 by suicide, 1 by police services), 1 passer-by, 1 school-bus driver (perp was later found to be insane), 1 school-janitor, (46) killed, 6 senior, 2 school students, 9 teachers, 1 vice-principal, 56 junior, 1 school-yard supervisor, 1 school-secretary, 6 students (aged about 13 to 19), 2 students at a high-school, 1 assistant-principal, 1 student-teacher (an intern), 1 adult at an elementary school basket-ball game, (87) injured.
(74 at an elementary school injured by bomb-blast not firearm)
1990's, 16 juniors (1 by Russian Roulette, 2 unintentionally, 2 by suicide, 1 by suicide-pact, 1 included an unborn child) and 2 middle-school, 10 senior (2 by suicide), 23 high-school student, 1 university graduate (a perp in a shooting, by suicide), 6 professors and 1 associate professor, 1 chairman of department at a university, 1 vice-president of academic affairs, 6 teacher (1 had abused the perp by sexual means), 1 head custodian, 1 custodian, 1 school nurse (perp found to be insane at the time of the shooting), 1 perp (suicide), 1 associate principal, 1 high-school principal, 1 cafeteria manager and a cook at a military school, 1 middle school teacher, 1 university student, 1 individual at a high-school basket-ball game, (84) killed; 18 junior (1 unintentionally), 1 senior (by suicide-pact), a temporary receiptionist in a university grievance office, 1 university custodian, 1 university graduate student, 3 undergraduate, 36 high-school student and 7 middle school student, 4 high-school teacher, 1 middle-school teacher, 3 individual attending a high-school basket-ball game, 2 assistant principal, 1 police officer, 1 school-bus driver, 2 individuals at an Alternative school, 49 at a high-school, 1 basket-ball coach, (131) injured.
 
For the most part, I think our nation has gotten too rich for our own good. When I was kid, the only guns adults had were bolt action rifles and shotguns for hunting. On occasion, you'd see a handgun for home defense. If you didn't have the money, you simply could not buy them. Today, you can use your credit card and buy a neat rifle with high capacity clips like in the movies. You can learn how to make things go boom and learn from our mass media that there are others who do the same thing. Yep, you are not alone with your crazy thoughts. A lot of people seem very self-centered. Look at me. Look at me. It scares me.
When I was kid, if a dog bit you, my dad would say, what did you do that dog? Today they take a photo of your dog bite and sue the owner.
 
All of the above and . . . yes . . . many parents have failed. Having said that, I knew where my dad kept his gun, broke it down several times, and reassembled it. However, my grandfather realized that and (my dad being overseas) removed all the ammunition from the house. But there was not the prolification of many automatic rifles and high capacity clips. We were not concerned about the Second Amendment as there was a militia and they had the guns. Hope I don't offend anyone here, but I think the NRA has made the situation much worse by fighting any attempt to control guns. While many of their goals might be well meant, I personally believe that they've made the situation much worse. But the biggest issue is that gun owners simple do not take responsibility for safety of their weapons.

Bosun Al
 
Check out Europe - same disintegration of families, movies and games. But essentially no violent deaths.

People used to give children B.B. guns and bows and arrows to exercise. Today, households became militarized.
 
Al Fisher said:
........ but I think the NRA has made the situation much worse by fighting any attempt to control guns. ......
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In Chicago, 249 people have been shot so far in 2018. The NRA had nothing to do with it.
Drugs and break down of families did. Period. I doubt they had too much money or credit
cards either. Geeze.
 
When it comes to threads on this subject..................rinse, lather, repeat.

Why the need to start another one is beyond me.

Einstein was right.
 
Just do the math......there are approximately 320 million guns in this country which just makes it too easy for criminals, terrorists and the mentally disturbed to get them.
In countries with strict gun controls and a ban on automatic weapons (e.g. Australia) gun deaths per capita are a tiny fraction of what we have in this country.
But, unfortunately with our culture and the gun makers and their NRA lobby awash in cash to influence legislators nothing will change.

George is right it is a wasted argument. The only thing to do is donate money to legislators who have the ethics and courage to make changes.
And by the way there is a valid argument for more health care for the mentally disturbed but that is a low priority on the current government's budget list.
 
BLReed said:
In Chicago, 249 people have been shot so far in 2018. The NRA had nothing to do with it.
Drugs and break down of families did. Period. I doubt they had too much money or credit
cards either. Geeze.
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The reason there have been no "school massacres" in Chicago etc,,Total cop-security at all times,,metal -gun checks entering,,dogs,,no backpacks,,Lock down,no leaving until closing and security on the way out,,why the shootings,,murders etc occur at night ,,out of school and weekends,,
 
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