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Ken...good video...thanks...

in the video...it said...

to increase their firepower...

Wolfe had his men load two lead balls instead of one into their muskets...

I have never heard of this...

and if it was effective...

why wasn't it used in every battle...or every shot for that matter...
 
Ken...good video...thanks...

in the video...it said...

to increase their firepower...

Wolfe had his men load two lead balls instead of one into their muskets...

I have never heard of this...

and if it was effective...

why wasn't it used in every battle...or every shot for that matter...

Multi-shot loads were very common. The English often used double shot loads on the first shot, then single loads for rapid reloading after that. Accuracy suffers with double shot loads as does striking power, so it really is effective only against massed troops at short range which is typically how the British fought from about 1750 - 1850. So what Wolfe did was not a new idea. The French later adopted the double load and the colonials (that would be you :) ) used buck and ball from the early 1700's through the Civil War. Buck and ball would have a .64 cal ball and 3 or more buckshot in the same cartridge fired from a .69 cal. musket. The only other European country to double shot their muskets was Denmark. I haven't heard of any other countries doing it as a regular practice.

Terry
 
Multi-shot loads were very common. The English often used double shot loads on the first shot, then single loads for rapid reloading after that. Accuracy suffers with double shot loads as does striking power, so it really is effective only against massed troops at short range which is typically how the British fought from about 1750 - 1850. So what Wolfe did was not a new idea. The French later adopted the double load and the colonials (that would be you :) ) used buck and ball from the early 1700's through the Civil War. Buck and ball would have a .64 cal ball and 3 or more buckshot in the same cartridge fired from a .69 cal. musket. The only other European country to double shot their muskets was Denmark. I haven't heard of any other countries doing it as a regular practice.

Terry

Now that's what I call a concise and thorough answer...thank you Terry
 
Hi Terry,

I never knew this either - thanks for the information.

Some other things came to mind when I read Mikemiller1955's comment of why not do this every time.

The accuracy issue that you mention, but again they overcome that by waiting to get close enough that accuracy was no longer a factor. Holding it for first fire has a greater shock effect.

Fouling of the barrel would be my other thought for firing this way often during a battle.

Last, there were only so many rounds in a belt. 12 is about what I have seen in cartridge boxes of the era - so that would only be 6 volleys of a double load, which would also take a bit longer to load. By today's standards , only having 12 shots for a battle seems wrong.

Interesting stuff to think about.

Thanks

Matthew
 
Hi Terry,

I never knew this either - thanks for the information.

Some other things came to mind when I read Mikemiller1955's comment of why not do this every time.

The accuracy issue that you mention, but again they overcome that by waiting to get close enough that accuracy was no longer a factor. Holding it for first fire has a greater shock effect.

Fouling of the barrel would be my other thought for firing this way often during a battle.

Last, there were only so many rounds in a belt. 12 is about what I have seen in cartridge boxes of the era - so that would only be 6 volleys of a double load, which would also take a bit longer to load. By today's standards , only having 12 shots for a battle seems wrong.

Interesting stuff to think about.

Thanks

Matthew

I would hate to enter a battle with only 12 rounds...:eek:...maybe a good issue for that era...but I couldn't imagine a modern day soldier with 12 rounds...I wonder what quantity of ammunition soldiers in the Middle East and Afganistan carry...
 
All these FIW threads lately has been great.Thanks to you all.
Mark
 
Oh - I just checked my book on British equipment from 1700 to 1900 book - some of the ammo pouches carried 15 to 18 rounds in 1750 and by late 1860s they had 60 rounds. The ones from the 1700's were drilled wood to keep the paper charges standing upright. The 60 round ones were tin boxes, and these held the brass cartridges. And it looks from the pictures to just hold them loose.

Today, I'm sure no one goes out with less than 300 rounds, ten magazines. I don't recall what the WW2 M1 Garand cloth ammo straps held. I think there were 10 pouches and they might have held two 8 round clips each. I don't know where mine are at the moment. Way too many moves in the last 20 years.
 

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