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Napoleon 8 v Wellington 1 !
(NA26, NA158, 199, 237, 375 and 414 plus NE01 & 16 v NA256)

K&C have just announced their latest Napoleon figure which makes 8 so far. However we have only had one Wellington{sm2}.

Since I watched the Waterloo movie sometime in the 70's this makes me an expert on all things Napoleonic and I hereby seek to rally the troops in support of the Duke of Wellington.
On behalf of all Wellington fans I feel it is time to petition the "King" to remedy the situation. I hereby submit the following reasons in support of a new Wellington figure :

1. Obviously there is the fact he defeated Napoleon at Waterloo. This alone should be enough.
2. My last school was located in a town called Wellington (hence my obvious bias).
3. He was Prime Minister of the UK twice (OK the 2nd time was for a month but twice seems so much better than once). Napoleon never even made MP.
4. There are more pubs in England named after Wellington than Napoleon.
5. Christopher Plummer aka Wellington is still alive. The other guy not.
6. He knew how to put his hands in his pockets and not inside his jacket front.
7. He did not invade Russia.
8. He kindly allowed Irish and Scottish soldiers to die for England.
9. The New Zealand capital is called Wellington not Napoleon.
10. He has more initials after his name than N (ie. KG, GCB, GCH, PC, FRS).
11. He stayed in the house on Saint Helena before Napoleon did.
12. Napoleon never had a bomber named after him
13. Isn't it bad enough that figures from this period are called Napoleonics. I mean what is wrong with Wellingtonics ! Wellington boots does not however make up for this major historical oversight.
14. Whilst Napoleon was messing around with French Revolutionary stuff and commanding armies aged 12 Wellington was involved in the far more well known Fourth Anglo-Mysore War.
and most importantly -
15. Wellington said "I used to say of him [Napoleon] that his presence on the field made the difference of forty thousand men". He lied. This was masterful psychological warfare which worked. Prior to Waterloo Napoleon ordered Marshall Grouchy and 30,000 men to go after the Prussians. This was because when counting his troops Napoleon counted himself as 40,000. Credit goes to Wellington for this major blunder by Napoleon:salute::.

Some American readers may not be sure about supporting this campaign in support of a British military leader over a French one who was their ally in the War of 1812. Consider this ; Wellington Florida has a larger population than Napoleon, Ohio. Oh yes, and he declined, after his success in the Peninsular War, to go and command in America. Simples.

So show your support for Wellington here !

PS I do like the new Nappy and Josephine set so nothing personal against Nap himself who would have made a good Corporal in the Guards^&grin.

PSS Naughty French Girls 3 v Naughty British Girls 0 ^&confuse
 
Brett has too much time on his hands ............ and Queensland lost the State of Origin series so Brett obviously needs a distraction. ^&grin

But I do appreciate the obvious research skills- Google is a wonderful tool on a wet or slow work day.
 
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Brett has too much time on his hands ............ and Queensland lost the State of Origin series so Brett obviously needs a distraction. ^&grin

But I do appreciate the obvious research skills- Google is a wonderful tool on a wet or slow work day.
Yep. Not a lot happening on the forum. A bit like the hundred days campaign - flash in the pan :) would break the boredom.
Why 8 Napoleon’s? Because people don’t ask “Napoleon who?”. And a mere Duke is hardly a match for an Emperor. Christian Clavier lives! And I saw Napoleon in Belgium in 2015 - a great re-enactment. Wellington and a boot seems appropriate somehow :). But that new set of Napoleon and Josephine is a real beauty - Yay! More Napoleonic women please Andy - his Mum next
 
Yep. Not a lot happening on the forum. A bit like the hundred days campaign - flash in the pan :) would break the boredom.
Why 8 Napoleon’s? Because people don’t ask “Napoleon who?”. And a mere Duke is hardly a match for an Emperor. Christian Clavier lives! And I saw Napoleon in Belgium in 2015 - a great re-enactment. Wellington and a boot seems appropriate somehow :). But that new set of Napoleon and Josephine is a real beauty - Yay! More Napoleonic women please Andy - his Mum next

Had to Google Christian Clavier ! Actor who played that well known Frenchie Asterix the Gaul^&grin Oh and some other well known Frenchman:salute::.
 
Brett,

I have counted 2 x Arthur Wellesley's in the K&C Nap range …

NA077.jpg
NA077 which looks more like it's been modelled for the campaign on The Peninsular,

NA256(L).jpg
NA256 which is more like the latter part of the wars, so will suit Waterloo.

Now I'll check on your number of Napoleons .. :)

John
 
Brett,

I have counted 2 x Arthur Wellesley's in the K&C Nap range …

View attachment 235683
NA077 which looks more like it's been modelled for the campaign on The Peninsular,

View attachment 235684
NA256 which is more like the latter part of the wars, so will suit Waterloo.

Now I'll check on your number of Napoleons .. :)

John

John,
You have just increased the number 100% {sm2} ! That is not helping my case :mad: OK, I amend my appeal slightly. We need a Wellington on foot:wink2:.

How about number of figures made by number of years lived ? Wellington lived 30 years longer but has a quarter of the figures made.
 
Brett,

I have found 9 x Napoleons

NA026 Mounted with Roustam Raza
NA158 with tent and 3 Marshals and ADC
NA199 Wearing overcoat
NA237 Mounted with overcoat
NA375 With 2 x ADCs
NA414 With Josephine
NE001 Mounted on camel
NE016 Standing
PM037 Napoleon in Egypt - Standing crossed arms

John
 
We need a Wellington on foot:wink2:.

I totally agree, and some of his officer group so that we can assemble a command set for the battlefield.

The only British personality figure that's standing is Admiral Horatio Nelson NE045 and that's a pose for 1800 in Egypt !!!!

John
 
John,
You have just increased the number 100% {sm2} ! That is not helping my case :mad: OK, I amend my appeal slightly. We need a Wellington on foot:wink2:.

How about number of figures made by number of years lived ? Wellington lived 30 years longer but has a quarter of the figures made.

Oh yes, Wellington on foot is appropriate :wink2:. There would be many of those :)
 
I totally agree, and some of his officer group so that we can assemble a command set for the battlefield.

The only British personality figure that's standing is Admiral Horatio Nelson NE045 and that's a pose for 1800 in Egypt !!!!

John

So still 7 more Naps that Wellingtons{sm4}

Dont recall seeing a PM37.
 
So still 7 more Naps that Wellingtons{sm4}

Brett,
Now you have got me going, ….. What about named NAP personality figures …. ?????

The British have 6 only :

2 x Duke of Wellington both mounted
Major General Pakenham
Lieut. General Stapleton Cotton
Admiral Horatio Nelson
Sgt Charles Ewart (Royal North British Dragoons)

The French have 22 !!!

9 x Napoleons ( see below)
NA414 Empress Josephine
NA026 Roustam Raza
NA056 Marshal Dorsenne mounted
NA158 Marshal Dorsenne standing
NA239 Marshal Bessieres mounted
NA158 Marshal Louis-Nicolas Davout
NA158 General of Cuirassiers Jean-Joseph Comte d'Hautpoul
NA164 General Edouard de Colbert
NA238 General Antoine Charles Louis de Lasalle
NA388 General Pierre Jacques Étienne Cambronne
CF014 Marshal Murat
CF005 Marshal Bessieres standing
NE042 General Jean-Andoche Junot

Now, isn't that inequality ???????

John
 
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Brett,
Now you have got me going, ….. What about named NAP personality figures …. ?????

The British have 6 only :

2 x Duke of Wellington both mounted
Major General Pakenham
Lieut. General Stapleton Cotton
Admiral Horatio Nelson
Sgt Charles Ewart (Royal North British Dragoons)

The French have 22 !!!

9 x Napoleons ( see below)
NA414 Empress Josephine
NA026 Roustam Raza
NA056 Marshal Dorsenne mounted
NA158 Marshal Dorsenne standing
NA239 Marshal Bessieres mounted
NA158 Marshal Louis-Nicolas Davout
NA158 General of Cuirassiers Jean-Joseph Comte d'Hautpoul
NA164 General Edouard de Colbert
NA238 General Antoine Charles Louis de Lasalle
NA388 General Pierre Jacques Étienne Cambronne
CF014 Marshal Murat
CF005 Marshal Bessieres standing
NE042 General Jean-Andoche Junot

Now, isn't that inequality ???????

John

Good research:salute::
To even up the situation we need a command group of Wellington and a couple of his Generals around map table. Then add a few more singles of named commanding officers of units like Black Watch, Scots Greys (ie. both popular units) a Hussar officer etc so can create a scenario similar to the green French Hussars.

I note Pakenham was Wellington's brother in law and died fighting in New Orleans a few months before Waterloo.

Two more reasons for my list :
Napoleon was born in Corsica which basically makes him a member of the mafia. Wellington was succeeded by Robert Peel who is famous for the Peelers and setting up early policing. Naturally it was Wellingtons idea.

Wellington's horse was called Copenhagen. Andy has just visited Copenhagen. Not aware of him visiting Marengo. Clearly a positive sign.
 
To even up the situation we need a command group of Wellington and a couple of his Generals around map table. Then add a few more singles of named commanding officers of units like Black Watch, Scots Greys (ie. both popular units) a Hussar officer etc so can create a scenario similar to the green French Hussars.

We can only hope ….. and keep on asking nicely :confused: … you never know, one day ???????

Maybe the same composition as this set (#752) by Tradition of London but with more animation ???

Toy_soldiers_752.jpg

:)

John
 
For the Waterloo scenario ... The Prince of Orange and Dutch Belgium troops.
Or perhaps Blucher and the Prussians ... they really were a deciding factor in the final outcome.

Bests
OD
 
For the Waterloo scenario ... The Prince of Orange and Dutch Belgium troops.
Or perhaps Blucher and the Prussians ... they really were a deciding factor in the final outcome.

Bests
OD

yes, something that has been asked for many time, but Andy always declines to go down that track ….. :(

John
 
We can only hope ….. and keep on asking nicely :confused: … you never know, one day ???????

Maybe the same composition as this set (#752) by Tradition of London but with more animation ???

View attachment 235712

:)

John

I'd love to see K&C tackle something like this. Nosey must be awfully lonely on the battlefield by himself.

Brendan
 
Good research:salute::
To even up the situation we need a command group of Wellington and a couple of his Generals around map table. Then add a few more singles of named commanding officers of units like Black Watch, Scots Greys (ie. both popular units) a Hussar officer etc so can create a scenario similar to the green French Hussars.

I note Pakenham was Wellington's brother in law and died fighting in New Orleans a few months before Waterloo.

Two more reasons for my list :
Napoleon was born in Corsica which basically makes him a member of the mafia. Wellington was succeeded by Robert Peel who is famous for the Peelers and setting up early policing. Naturally it was Wellingtons idea.

Wellington's horse was called Copenhagen. Andy has just visited Copenhagen. Not aware of him visiting Marengo. Clearly a positive sign.


Definitely have to agree with Brett & Co., The 'Iron Duke' is seriously 'under-represented' among K&C's 'Napoleonics'...Perhaps that's why that entire era is described as 'Napoleonic' and not 'Wellingtonic'.

However all is not lost...During my last trip up to China to meet with our Sculpting Team (just a few days before my departure for Copenhagen) I handed over 12 of my sketches and ideas for more new British infantry in action...And don't worry Cavalry will come later.

While on this Danish visit I have also been thinking a lot about the fabled Duke and will be putting pen to paper to remedy that particular situationUpon my return to Hong Kong next week.
Vive l'Empereur...Vive le Duc de Fer (I think)!
Andy.
 
Definitely have to agree with Brett & Co., The 'Iron Duke' is seriously 'under-represented' among K&C's 'Napoleonics'...Perhaps that's why that entire era is described as 'Napoleonic' and not 'Wellingtonic'.

However all is not lost...During my last trip up to China to meet with our Sculpting Team (just a few days before my departure for Copenhagen) I handed over 12 of my sketches and ideas for more new British infantry in action...And don't worry Cavalry will come later.

While on this Danish visit I have also been thinking a lot about the fabled Duke and will be putting pen to paper to remedy that particular situationUpon my return to Hong Kong next week.
Vive l'Empereur...Vive le Duc de Fer (I think)!
Andy.

"Wellington's horse was called Copenhagen. Andy has just visited Copenhagen. Not aware of him visiting Marengo. Clearly a positive sign".

Thanks Andy:salute::
Luckily my mind waves travel far{sm4}. Or could it be that Andy reads the forum when on holiday:wink2:
,
 
I could see a British officer group looking good, linking it into something such as a Portuguese/Spanish building or British tent. But I think the situation is not just Napoleon and Wellington, what about the different ranges within K & C Napoleonic series. there are many more French than other countries, I would like to see some British Light Dragoons and other British troops. A few years ago K & C 'added too' current ranges, with a few extra Scots Guards, KGL, etc.

looking at other eras I think the amount of Hitler figures there are compared with Churchill, Eisenhower, Stalin etc.
 

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