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Harrytheheid

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RE: Shadow boxes/display cases

I've transferred my responses to Scott, Brad and Mike over here cos my questions don't really belong in the K&C Section of the forum.

Hi, Harry, that's a good question, I never thought of making a "light box" in that sense. I don't know that you'd need a box of fixed size, necessarily, as much as having good light sources--note the plural--to light the piece for photographing…..

Prosit!
Brad

Yup, My Fine Germanic Aristocrat. Thanks for the response and I’ve saved it to a Word document so’s I can read it in depth later today.


Nope, My Fine Agricultural Expert, the link doesn’t work for me. When I click on it, I just get the Internet “Screen of Death” – but I’ll try a Google on it later today – Thanks.

H,
That's not fair...I've seen your pictures from inside the homestead. They are among the colourful and crispy clean that I've seen! Maybe it's the awesome furniture you've got that sets the figures and set off, but first rate regardless.
Have a local craftsman make the case to YOUR specs and you'll be able to pass it on to the grandkids!
Mike

Well, that’s some very kind comments Mike, but I tend to think you’re being somewhat overly generous.

It’s not the display cases or shelves that’s the problem. I took these photo’s at night, in the homestead, and without the flash so please ignore the awful quality. They’re for illustration only.

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As you can see, the cases and shelves are fine apart from being in a darkish room – and not helped due to the fact they’re a darkish red colour. But I’ve hit on a good way to brighten them up a bit. I’ve found a place in town that sells miniature “Chinese Lanterns”. They’re around ½ inch in diameter and not only will they light up the dark interiors of those display cases, they’ll also enhance the Oriental subject matter.

I do need to track down a larger display “insert” for this one below cos the present insert is too small.

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Quite apart from the fact that I’m still getting used to the new Canon G10 camera I’m now, umm - using, which has literally countless options, and I’m definitely having problems getting the focus and depth of field correct with it, it has a different lens system from my old G9 model with a longer lens travel; which means I’m limited when I try and use my sooper-dooper Macro and Wide Angle lens accessories, otherwise I could easily damage the camera lens system – which would be a bit of a drag. I should have checked my lens adapter when I bought the thing – but stupidity is always a factor that needs to be taken into account where I’m concerned. No worries, I’ll get a longer adapter in Beijing, Bangkok or Hong Kong, which are my next ports of call, in that order.
Having a read of the manual would probably be a good idea as well.

Naaah, the real problem is that I’m really limited to three locations in our present “Condo” (ha-ha) for taking photo’s of figurine vignettes and all three get hit with really strong direct sunlight all day.
Check these photos that I’ve taken the past few days;

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In the one above, the detail of the “Chinese Temple” I’m using as a backdrop is lost.
In the one below, the detail is almost entirely lost even though the curtains are drawn.

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I suppose I could get Missus Heid to go out and buy thicker curtains – but there’s no telling what she might come home with. Nuthin’ surprises me these days cos by now her English is almost as bad as mine – ever heard a Chinese woman speak with a Scottish accent? Well I have. She could just as easily go buy some (admittedly gorgeous) lacquered screen, so expensive it would foul up my figurine purchasing plan for the rest of this year. When we lived in Dubai, I sent her out to buy a bedside reading lamp – she came home with an Arabic silk carpet (??).
:confused:
I spent the rest of the day trying to figure out how to start up the engine so’s I could sit her on it and fly her back home to China on the cheap.
Mind you, a screen might be a good idea and we do have a couple of those folding wooden ones presently in storage. Hmmm, I’ll have a think about that one.

Anyway, the only other location in the house where I can take photos is the small cupboard where we have some basic diorama bases stuck up on the wall. But as you can see below, it also gets hit by the sunlight all day and it drowns out the figures at the left hand side.

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Sure, I could crop out the left hand side of the photo, but that means I loose the overall composition. Bummer.

That’s why I was asking the friend I met last week in HK about buying a proper light box for taking photo’s of vignettes and small-ish dioramas. He reckons you can buy them in a few photography shops he knows. So I’ll check them out when I hit HK in July. I’m willing to bet they cost a Kings Ransom though. And getting the thing home undamaged on a flight offers endless opportunities for a comedy of errors as well, when I think about it.
Making one myself would probably be easy enough – it’s trying to explain what I want that’s the drawback. Halogen lights? I could just as easy end up coming home with a combine harvester. I’ve been trying to buy one of those rotary glass tables you get in Chinese restaurants for months now, so’s I can set up dios on it and take photo’s at infinite angles. I’ve even dragged people into restaurants and pointed out exactly what I want – and ended up buying them lunch.
:(

It’s not easy being a TS collector in China you know....

Thanks for putting up with my moanin’ and groanin’. If anyone has any more suggestions then I’m all ears. But going back to live in the UK where I can generally buy what I want isn’t an option I'm all that interested in. I’m reliably informed that Her Majesties Inspector of Taxes would dearly like to have a quiet word with me.

Cheers
H
 
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"It’s not easy being a TS collector in China you know...."

That's an interesting observation, when we consider how many figures are made in China these days :D

As far as lights go, Harry, what I was talking about for portable lights with a spring-clamp base, I could imagine that you should be able to find them in China, but I wouldn't know for certain. Here in the US, you can get them at hardware stores, or at the discount department stores like WalMart. The ones we have here have a standard threaded socket, to take an incandescent bulb (the greenies will shudder at that) or one of the newer fluorescents, I'd use the incandescent, though, it's light is better balanced and not washed out, like a fluorescent. The lights are usually made with a single power cord, and the on/off switch is a turn switch mounted at the back of the lamp. The advantage is that you could set up a studio area on a kitchen table, for instance, and then mount the lights on the accompanying chairs' backs, and move them around for optimum position on your subject.

I have also seen small light boxes, made of some kind of fabric, like Mylar, perhaps, and those you would definitely find at a photography shop. The ones I've seen are about 18 inches square (well, cubed, really), though, so they might not fit your bill. For me, I use an area that is about 3' wide by 3' high and about 18" deep. Right now, that's a TV table (a tray table) with a piece of luan resting behind it, with an old tablecloth draped over it. I've got a design for a portable version, with a hinged base and back, and with the cloth attached, so I could carry it and set it up anywhere. Another project....
 
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"It’s not easy being a TS collector in China you know...."

That's an interesting observation, when we consider how many figures are made in China these days :D

As far as lights go, Harry, what I was talking about for portable lights with a spring-clamp base, I could imagine that you should be able to find them in China, but I wouldn't know for certain. Here in the US, you can get them at hardware stores, or at the discount department stores like WalMart. The ones we have here have a standard threaded socket, to take an incandescent bulb (the greenies will shudder at that) or one of the newer fluorescents, I'd use the incandescent, though, it's light is better balanced and not washed out, like a fluorescent. The lights are usually made with a single power cord, and the on/off switch is a turn switch mounted at the back of the lamp. The advantage is that you could set up a studio area on a kitchen table, for instance, and then mount the lights on the accompanying chairs' backs, and move them around for optimum position on your subject.

I have also seen small light boxes, made of some kind of fabric, like Mylar, perhaps, and those you would definitely find at a photography shop. The ones I've seen are about 18 inches square (well, cubed, really), though, so they might not fit your bill. For me, I use an area that is about 3' wide by 3' high and about 18" deep. Right now, that's a TV table (a tray table) with a piece of luan resting behind it, with an old tablecloth draped over it. I've got a design for a portable version, with a hinged base and back, and with the cloth attached, so I could carry it and set it up anywhere. Another project....

Maybe its easier down south in the Shenzhen area, but I'm up in the bleak North.
Not true, its a beautiful area, especially when you get out of the city, but I am biased of course and have always preferred NE China. I've never seen TS's sold outside of Hong Kong, but I don't go to shady street markets.
:rolleyes:
Another white lie - I love perusing the street markets, but I've honestly never seen what we class as TS's sold anywhere up here. Plenty of Japanese Manga stuff, but there's not much of it I can use. There's nothing that we would class as craft hobby shops either. I buy my acrylic paints from supermarkets. The upside of course is that I can source small Chinese stuff you'd find difficult to find in the west (I would think).
Thanks for the advice, food for thought there. There is a Walmart here, might be worthwhile stirring myself to get out the house and pay it a visit, see if they have any of the lamps you refer to.

Rgds
H
 
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H, there is quite a difference in my opinion between permanent lighting of a collection and lighting for photography purposes. If you want to replace the direct flash, you could do so by either an indirect flash or photo lamps like Randy or the Lt (and I am certain many others) use to take photos of their display. You will need to adjust the light source for each photo, including blacking out light from the back by covering the window/unwanted light source.

Permanent lighting I think might be a bid more difficult as it is either quite obtrusive (lights on clamps protruding off the top shelf) or requires installation. In your case I would take a very hard look at LED lighting like IKEA's (they even offer one that changes light-color).
 
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H, there is quite a difference in my opinion between permanent lighting of a collection and lighting for photography purposes. If you want to replace the direct flash, you could do so by either an indirect flash or photo lamps like Randy or the Lt (and I am certain many others) use to take photos of their display. You will need to adjust the light source for each photo, including blacking out light from the back by covering the window/unwanted light source.

Permanent lighting I think might be a bid more difficult as it is either quite obtrusive (lights on clamps protruding off the top shelf) or requires installation. In your case I would take a very hard look at LED lighting like IKEA's (they even offer one that changes light-color).

Yeah, I know mate. I'm actually talking about two different things in my long, rambling moan.
Brightening up the display cabinets is just a sideshow and is easily addressed with the miniature Chinese Lanterns I've mentioned seeing. Mind you, they could just as easily burn the cabinets down, and maybe the house as well, unless I check the wiring myself. I've had first-hand experience of the shocking Chinese electrical standards (pun intended).
It's the photography that's frustrating me at the moment. Basically, our present abode is a temporary one until we move house again next year. Trouble is I'm very limited for locations where I can take photos at present cos we're a bit, (okay, a lot), cramped for space.
The snaps I took today exhibit a slight improvement, but I'm actually quite surprised at the difference between my new camera and the preceding model - they have very different lens systems - so its a case of experimenting with the settings until I'm happy(er) with the focus and depth of field results. And getting an adapter for my additional lenses that can accomodate the longer camera lens mechanism of the new model I'm now using will make a huge difference.
I've always gone for natural light in the past and only use the flash if I'm trying to achieve a special effect. But I think I'll go along with the Baron's suggestions regarding flooding the dining room table with light. So I'll head out on a mission down to walmart once I summon up enough "can-be-bothered-to-get-out-of-the-house" motivation, and see if they have some miniature spots I can move around easily.
Just while I'm in whinge mode, finding good backdrop pictures is a drag as well. I've used calendar pictures before with good results, but can't find anything suitable in China for what I want. I've seen me using supermarket paper carrier bags and even cookie boxes to achieve the effect I want for a backdrop. Sure, I can download and print out landscapes from the web, but that limits me to A4 (roughly equivalent to American Letter size). I suppose the answer to this one, once I've the facilities to build real and larger dioramas again, is to take a trip out to the countryside and get some good scenery shots. With 14.7Mpixels to play with I can get a photography shop to print me off some A3 or even A2 size backdrops.
Meanwhile, I'll just plug away.

Thanks
H
 
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I have to agree Harry that the A4 is limiting. What I have done is printed out mirror images and stuck them together. The only downside is of course the join.
 
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Yeah, I've done that before as well. You can hide the join using a big palm tree or something similar. You can also disguise the join using Photoshop or similar software - although my attempts at it just ended up in smudges where I didn't want them - so I reverted to option 1 - the big palm tree.

Rgds
H
 
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Harry, your thread is proving to be a good discussion of more specific tips for taking pics. I've been thinking lately about using a backdrop of some kind, I'm ready to move beyond the old tablecloth backdrop phase, and everyone's bringing up good points to consider. I hadn't thought about sizes, for example, or editing the background. Food for thought...


Prosit!
Brad
 
Re: Shadow boxes/display cases

Harry, your thread is proving to be a good discussion of more specific tips for taking pics. I've been thinking lately about using a backdrop of some kind, I'm ready to move beyond the old tablecloth backdrop phase, and everyone's bringing up good points to consider. I hadn't thought about sizes, for example, or editing the background. Food for thought...


Prosit!
Brad

Well Brad,

Yes I agree that the discussions so far have certainly been rewarding.
One of the most enjoyable outcomes for me from being a member of this forum has been that I’ve formed a very strong interest in “Macro” photography.
Thinking of your comments about using a tablecloth backdrop prompted me to dig out this old one, where I used a calendar picture to represent Normandy. I thought it worked quite well, although it could have been sharper.

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Then I got thinking about the ways we can use digital software to enhance (or otherwise) the photo’s we take. I do have a licensed copy of Photoshop, but have never really bothered to learn how to use it – so far that is.

So anyway, after reading your remarks about the need for good light, I started messing around tonight with the camera settings, and using both the internal flash and the external flash attachment.
Here’s the results. Please disregard the subject matter – that's just my wee whim. I also deliberately used a red tablecloth as the “groundwork”. I wanted to see how the different settings would affect the colours - because it's silk and you know how it changes colour depending on how the light strikes it.
Oh, by the way, that handsome 6ft tall Scottish Adonis at the far right is me - enjoying a mug of Earl Gray and getting off on my Uncle, Tam'O'Shanter, giving it big licks with the Gangsta-Rap vibes he's playing on those pipes.
All the following original photos were digitally altered using HP Image Zone, which I find particularly user friendly.

Well this one's not great is it? Colours are washed out due to the effect of the flash.

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But, some software manipulation and the result is an improvement – and by cropping out some of the extraneous detail, you end up with an acceptable enough photo.

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Now, here we have what on the face of things is a completely ruined photo. So let’s see what we can do with it.

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Interesting effect? I dunno – probably doesn’t have too much appeal for many people, but I like this kind of thing; and I distinctly remember doing something similar and posting it on this very forum. Let's see if I csan find it.

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Finally dug it out. When I posted this I was overwhelmed at the amount of positive responses it got. Someone said it looks like a film poster. I don’t know about that – but I definitely like it – very unusual.

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Getting back to the photos I took tonight, how about this one? Another ruined photo? Maybe, but let’s see what we can do with it.

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Well, to be honest, I think in terms of focus and depth of field, this one has turned out to be pretty good after all. given that the colours aren't quite right, it would probably look better with a Sepia effect, so let's give that a go.

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Hmmm, Sepia's not bad. So how about straight B&W?

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Even better in this case - IMO.
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Any feedback to this post, positive or negative (pun not intended), will be very welcome. I’ve certainly enjoyed carrying out this wee project tonight.

Cheers
H
 
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Hi, Harry, you've got some interesting effects there with Photoshop. I agree with the others, the black on yellow backgroun does look like a movie poster, or maybe a dust jacket picture for a book. The red tinted pic made me think of that right away, like a modern history book cover.

I like the sepia effect, too, personally. I also like the second version of your pic with the Jocks and the artillery piece. There is a noticeable difference, a little warmer in tones.

I'm going to have to look into Photoshop, too. I have only used MS Paint so far, for some very basic editing (cropping borders, for example). But there's only so much that application can do.

Prost!
Brad
 
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Brad

Have you tried photbucket, it does have limitations but does allow you to edit your photos to a degree.
 
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Brad

Have you tried photbucket, it does have limitations but does allow you to edit your photos to a degree.

And Photobucket is free. Another good free basic utility is for photo enhancements is Irfanview. It can be downloaded fron cnet.com

Rgds
H
 

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