Record setting no hitter lost on blown umpire call... (2 Viewers)

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What would have been a record setting third no hitter this season (there have not been more than two in a season in the history of baseball) goes down the drain thanks to a blown call with two outs.

A ground ball to first, the throw is in time, runner is out by a step, NOT EVEN CLOSE and Jim Joyce blows the call.

Just about the most pathetic thing I've ever seen.

What a bozo.

What a sin, baseball umpires are a joke to the sport; they need instant replay just like football.

Jim Joyce will forever be known as a complete and utter *******...................
 
George,

I couldn't agree more about the umpiring in the major leagues. It is abysmal. I am a Yankee fan, and I saw the umpires blow 4 calls and 1st and 2nd base in two games last week, all in the Yankees favor, and all the same umpire (I think it was Laz Diaz).

We discussed how many blown calls there were in the playoffs last year, one of which in the Yankees-Twins ALDS cost the Twins a chance to go ahead in the top of the tenth inning of game 2 before Mark Teixiera won the game with a walk off home run leading off the bottom of the tenth. Another blown call (actually two on one play - the ball went off the Phillies batter's foot so was foul and the throw beat the runner to 1st base, but both umpires missed the call, and the guy ended up scoring the winning run) cost the Rockies a game against the Phillies in extra innings. If they didn't have replay on home runs the Phillies might have won the world series, as who knows what happens if the bad call on A-Rods home run off the camera isn't corrected.

Now another idiot umpire blows a call and costs a pitcher a perfect game. :mad: Frankly, they should get electric eyes like they have in tennis and take fair/foul and swing/no swing out of the hands of the umpires, use questek for ball/strike calls, and have instant replay on all close calls.
 
All great points Louis, but baseball and the powers that be would never want to do anything to show up their umpires......:rolleyes:

They've done it with football and the game is better for it, that kid got screwed tonight.

You know an apology will be issued by that clown Bud Selig, the old "gee, we are really sorry Joyce blew the call"............you can stuff your sorry's in a sack Bud, he's an absolute bozo too.....................
 
Call me what you will, but I believe there is no way an umpire calls anyone safe at first on the last out of a perfect game unless the play is so egregious that a safe call HAS to be made. That umpire should be fired or demoted. He took a once in a lifetime event away from that pitcher. The umpire made that game about himself instead of about that pitchers effort. The crowd does not pay to see an incompetent umpire take fame and immortality away from a player and baseball itself. What an absolute disgrace. -- Al
 
What are the chances of baseball doing right and reversing that call? Michael
 
lancer said:
Call me what you will, but I believe there is no way an umpire calls anyone safe at first on the last out of a perfect game unless the play is so egregious that a safe call HAS to be made...
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I have been thinking the same thing all night. If I was the umpire in this situation, I think it would have been best just to assume the runner is out and call it accordingly. Then, with the perfect game intact, no one will care if the last play of the game was a blown call!

Just read a few minutes ago that the umpire has already admitted getting it wrong. Not that it helps the pitcher though.....

Noah
 
Given that the next rbatter made an out and that the bad call was clearly wrong with no arguement about it, Selig could show some character and fix the call - if he has any character.

Terry
 
lancer said:
Call me what you will, but I believe there is no way an umpire calls anyone safe at first on the last out of a perfect game unless the play is so egregious that a safe call HAS to be made. That umpire should be fired or demoted. He took a once in a lifetime event away from that pitcher. The umpire made that game about himself instead of about that pitchers effort. The crowd does not pay to see an incompetent umpire take fame and immortality away from a player and baseball itself. What an absolute disgrace. -- Al
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Maybe firing is harsh. The umpire has apologized and is honestly contrite, or so it seems. Still, veteran umpire or not, where is this guy's head on that play? He has to be waiting for anything close so he can exercise his game authority to make a call that will change the course of game history. He had to be waiting to put his mark on the game and this seemingly bang-bang play was his last chance. Every other umpire in baseball would have called out, bang-bang be d*mned, tie to the runner be d*mned, and been happy to be part of history. What was this umpire thinking? How is the runner anything but out (given that the ball isn't thrown into the stands) on a relatively routine (as routine as the last out of a perfect game can be) play? This just makes me sick and the fact that baseball has no recourse to fix it is almost as bad. -- Al
 
I watched the whole game and could not believe the call on first. I was sure Gallagra had a perfect game. The announcers called him out then could not believe Joyce's safe call. It was not even close. I was so upset I got in my car and went to the Casino for three hours. Guess I lost twice last night.:):eek:
 
I can see both sides, but it seems like the one thing baseball has going for it is that it is a traditional, old-fashioned American sport dating back over a hundred years. The umps will miss some calls, but the human element is part of the charm of the game. And the games are long enough without adding to them with lengthy reviews like those that break up the flow of NFL games. I would be careful to start messing around with that given all the other problems MLB has. Frankly, I can't believe they can sustain the current number of teams given the record low attendance and TV ratings in some markets last year. The disparity in payroll between teams like the Yankees, Red Sox and Dodgers with smaller market teams has become a joke. That's a much bigger problem for the sport than a few missed calls.
 
You think screwing up a perfect game is bad, what about the Umpire who blew the call at first base on what would have been the last out of the world series between the Royals and the Cardinals back in the 1980's (and it was even more blatently wrong than this call) and the other team then rallied to win the series? That umpire never umped a game again (probably because of the multiple death threats he received).

The best part is hearing all the "fans" who think blown calls are just an acceptable part of the game, because of the "human element". - Typed this before Combat's post - this is not a dig at you, I am sorry if it appears that way. The players making errors are the human element - the umpires are not part of the game, they are there to police the game and make the right call. If everyone on the earth, including the umpire that blew the call agrees that the call was wrong, it is not an acceptable error.

As a Yankee fan, I was handed a win in the ALCS in 1996 because an umpire blew a call on Derek Jeter's "home run", which was really an out due to Jeffrey Maier's fan interference. Since that time, the game accepted the technology to fix this type of common umpire error, and now there is reply on disputed home run calls.

There are a heckuva lot more blown calls at first base then there are blown home run calls - I would assert that on close calls, "bang-bang plays" at first base, the umpire gets it wrong at least 20% to 40% of the time. The whole watch the glove and listen for the foot hitting the base concept really doesn't work, especially in a loud major league stadium. Allowing a freeze frame shot on the big high def-video boards in every stadium definitively establishing where the ball is when the foot hits the base on any disputed call would take a total of maybe 30 seconds. There are close calls at first maybe 5 times a game. That extra 2 and 1/2 minutes would not make a difference, but getting these calls correct sure would. But I agree with George, there is no way Bud Selig would ever have the stones to do it.
 
I must thank Louis for re-opening the festering sore of the blown Jeter home-run call. Maier's name is still a curse word down here in Maryland. I am an O's fan and a NYY fan, despite the seeming contradiction. I had my O's cap on that night and still wake up screaming about that call, on occassion.:rolleyes: Oh well, at least I'm not a Cubs fan where the same sort of fan interference had equally dire results, except the O's have won a WS or two more recently than 1908. Boy, I sure love baseball. -- Al
 
I posted this before, but here it is again. I was around umpires relative to my job, and most I came into contact with thought "yes" they are the reason people come to the ball park to watch them!
As Lancer stated, unless the guy was safe by 10 feet, last out, perfect game at stake, runner is OUT!
In hockey late in important games the refs won,t call a penalty unless a guy is decapatated!
Gary
 
How about a robot to call balls and strikes? Every ump has a slightly different strike zone. That's part of the game for a hundred years. It's not biased in favor of any one team. Honest to god if they start reviewing every close call at first base people will die of old age before the end. The game needs to speed up not slow down further. This is all peanuts, though, in influencing the outcome of a game where teams like the Yankees shell out more money to individual players than the payroll of some entire teams. If you want absolute fairness on the playing field, something has to be done about that situation. My guess is that Yankee fans are ok with the status quo.
 
Combat,

There is a strike zone as defined in the rule book. In its present permutation it is over the plate from the knees to one ball length above the belt. The fact that umpires move the strike zone all over the place is ridiculous. And there is a simple answer that would speed up rather than slow down the game: quest-tek. Just have quest-tek determine if its a ball or a strike, and flash it on the big board. No ridiculous umpire, who thinks I shelled out money to watch him do a karate move while he yells steeee-riiiike! No arguments over inside, outside, high or low. Its a strike or it isn't. For 500 years in lawn tennis people lived with an umpires erroneous calls, or yelled and screamed like morons about missed calls. Then technology fixed all that, and using a system identical to quest-tek, missed calls are definitively corrected.

And as far as the saleries go, you are right - I don't want salary caps. Look at what they have done to basketball, which now sucks beyond belief (I used to be an NBA season ticket holder, I haven't watched a minute of basketball in 10 years). The concept is so ridiculous, it would not even be considered in any other endeavor except sports. Is there a salary cap on what a hospital can pay a doctor, or can the best hospital shell out extra money to get the best doctors to work there? Is there a salary cap for car designers? Should Mercedes and BMW not be allowed to pay more to get the best designers to work for them? How about in the military? Should the U.S.A. be limited to the same military budget as Iraq, and our troops use old second rate soviet cast-offs?

If your team's billionairre owner doesn't want to lay out the money necessary to get the top talent, and my team's owner does, route for a different team.
 
Louis Badolato said:
Combat,
And as far as the saleries go, you are right - I don't want salary caps. Look at what they have done to basketball, which now sucks beyond belief (I used to be an NBA season ticket holder, I haven't watched a minute of basketball in 10 years). The concept is so ridiculous, it would not even be considered in any other endeavor except sports. Is there a salary cap on what a hospital can pay a doctor, or can the best hospital shell out extra money to get the best doctors to work there? Is there a salary cap for car designers? Should Mercedes and BMW not be allowed to pay more to get the best designers to work for them? How about in the military? Should the U.S.A. be limited to the same military budget as Iraq, and our troops use old second rate soviet cast-offs?

If your team's billionairre owner doesn't want to lay out the money necessary to get the top talent, and my team's owner does, route for a different team.
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Actually there are established salary caps in many professions including the military. However, unlike baseball which is a game made more enjoyable if outcome is uncertain, we want no uncertainty when it comes to a military conflict. That's why we have a higher defense budget (i.e pay more money like the Yankees) to ensure we win. That's beside the point though - do you really think Steinbrenner pays out more money than small market owners because he has a greater desire to win? Or he is more generous to his players? The reality is that small market owners would be out of business in a very short time if they did that. Even if their teams won the series every year they would be bankrupt.
 
Just as I thought, the sackless wonder Selig came out with some canned statement about looking into instant replay, blah, blah, blah; he's not overturning anything, it will stand as one hitter.

They don't need instant replay on this one, he blew the call, it was a cookie, no way he misses it, but he did...........the nitwit.
 
Watching the O's vs NYY today (O's lose again), the announcers made reference to the company (?) that gives cars away to pitchers of perfect games. It seems they are going to award a car to Galarraga for his 1 hit "perfect game". At least someone has some class about this disaster. Where is Kuhn when you need him? -- Al
 
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