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Russia accuses Poland of 'mockery of history' for crediting Ukrainians in Auschwitz liberation

Associated Press - Published January 22, 2015

WARSAW, Poland – Russia has accused Poland of engaging in a "mockery of history" after the Polish foreign minister credited Ukrainian soldiers, rather than the Soviet Red Army, with liberating Auschwitz 70 years ago.

The exchange underlines the deep tensions between Russia and Poland, which is hugely critical of Russian actions in Ukraine. Those strains are casting a shadow over the 70th anniversary commemorations of the liberation of the Nazi death camp, which will be held Tuesday in Poland.

Poland has apparently snubbed Russian President Vladimir Putin, who will not attend even though he was at the 60th anniversary event in 2005. The situation is particularly awkward since Auschwitz was liberated by Soviet troops on Jan. 27, 1945, and some of the more than 1.1 million victims were Soviet citizens, including Jews and prisoners of war.

In a radio interview Wednesday, Polish Foreign Minister Grzegorz Schetyna was challenged over what the journalist called the "pettiness" of not inviting Putin, given that he is the inheritor of the Soviet Union and that the Red Army freed Auschwitz.

Schetyna replied that "maybe it's better to say ... that the First Ukrainian Front and Ukrainians liberated (Auschwitz), because Ukrainian soldiers were there, on that January day, and they opened the gates of the camp and they liberated the camp."

In Russia, Schetyna's comments were seen as a cynical insult and drew an avalanche of angry official comments. The Foreign Ministry accused Schetyna of "anti-Russian hysteria" and disrespecting the memory of those who died liberating Europe from Hitler.

"It's common knowledge that Auschwitz was liberated by the Red Army, in which all nationalities heroically served," the Foreign Ministry said in a statement. "We believe that the mockery of history needs to be stopped."

The group of forces involved in the liberation of Auschwitz was called the First Ukrainian Front after it pushed the Nazis back across the territory of then-Soviet Ukraine before moving into Poland.

Foreign Minister Sergey Lavrov called Schetyna's comments "sacrilegious and cynical."

"Auschwitz was liberated by the Red Army, which included Russians, Ukrainians, Chechens, Tatars and Georgians, among others," Lavrov said.

At the United Nations, Russia's envoy Vitaly Churkin addressed the Polish envoy, telling him that the First Ukrainian Front, like other Red Army forces, contained representatives of the Soviet Union's more than 100 ethnic groups and asking him to convey the information to Schetyna.

The organizers of the ceremonies, the Auschwitz-Birkenau State Museum and the International Auschwitz Council, did not issue specific invitations to national leaders this year, but asked nations contributing funds to the site — including Russia — if they were going to attend.

Poland appears to have used this form of protocol as a way of avoiding a direct invitation to Putin. Some Poles have been critical of this, saying politics should not intrude on such a major Holocaust commemoration, the last one where a significant number of Auschwitz survivors can still be expected to attend.

Schetyna, though, put the blame on Putin for not attending, saying it was his decision.

The Nazis operated the Auschwitz-Birkenau death camp in occupied Poland from 1940 to 1945. Most of the victims were Jews, but Roma and other groups were also killed there.
 
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The Russians are complaining? The same Russian who made a deal with the devil Adolf Hitler to sell Poland down the river to the Nazi oppression and kick the second World War into high gear? The Same Russians that ground there boot heel into the necks of Poland following the war until Poland's recent liberation from soviet oppression?
Really? Putin ought to shut his mouth before someone brings up these less than convenient not mentioned facts about history.
Ray
 
It would be wise not to prod the Russian Bear too much.
 
There are many valid reasons why a Russian presence would be problematic, even if only for the nature of the liberation the Red Army delivered. It is a shame that they went with the quirk that Ukrainians may have been the first members of the Red Army at the gates. More honest to have said 'Given what happened before and after 1945, many of my countrymen and women, particularly those whose relatives you buried in Katyn or who died in Warsaw while the Red Army waited, find it unnecessarily upsetting to have a Russian presence'.

That said, it is amusing in a tragic kind of way that the Russians, led by a former communist, would get angry with someone for making a mockery of history. They are some pretty big rocks they are throwing through that glass house.
 
for what I read :
On 27 January 1945, soldiers of the Soviet First Ukrainian Front fought their way to the gates of Auschwitz/Birkenau. They found just under 6,000 prisoners still alive in the camp. Nearby, at the Monowitz slave labour camp they discovered 600 more, and at Auschwitz main camp a further 1,000.
http://ww2history.com/key_moments/Holocaust/Liberation_of_Auschwitz

soon also the 75 anniversary of invasion of Poland by Germany and URSS
 
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Clearly the Red Army took control (sorry liberated) Poland. However, I can understand the polish view after katyan massacre, no assistance during the warsaw uprising and the elimination of the home guard. Plus the total disrespect to the London based Polish government in exile.
 
Clearly the Red Army took control (sorry liberated) Poland. However, I can understand the polish view after katyan massacre, no assistance during the warsaw uprising and the elimination of the home guard. Plus the total disrespect to the London based Polish government in exile.



Sorry, but you are wrong.It was much worst than this: The red army didn' t liberate Poland, they beated the nazi and then invaded Poland and made of Poland a USSR colony, as well as the other eastern european states.
The men of "Armia Krajowa" who fought against the germans, the polish patriots, were all killed or deported just after the" liberation". Actually, Stalin and the NKVD,then GPU used exactly the same proceeding as the Gestapo. They killed or deported into gulag all the polish patriots,intellectuals,teachers and many citizens were expropriated and deported in Siberian camps were many died.The russians tried in any way to break the polish culture and even to replace the russian language with the polish language.In Poland were put" puppet governments" at the order of Moscow.All the political parties became outlaw and only the communist party was legal. Also the clergy were deported and some priests killed by the communist secret police till the 80ies. For Poland, WW2 finished in 1989.

It is funny that ww2 started to free Poland from the nazi invasion to finally leave it to a similar dictature ruling.

So the word" liberated" is not the correct one. If you don' t believe me, go to Poland and ask polish people if they feel that they were " liberated" by the red army....
 
Sorry, but you are wrong.It was much worst than this: The red army didn' t liberate Poland, they beated the nazi and then invaded Poland and made of Poland a USSR colony, as well as the other eastern european states.
The men of "Armia Krajowa" who fought against the germans, the polish patriots, were all killed or deported just after the" liberation". Actually, Stalin and the NKVD,then GPU used exactly the same proceeding as the Gestapo. They killed or deported into gulag all the polish patriots,intellectuals,teachers and many citizens were expropriated and deported in Siberian camps were many died.The russians tried in any way to break the polish culture and even to replace the russian language with the polish language.In Poland were put" puppet governments" at the order of Moscow.All the political parties became outlaw and only the communist party was legal. Also the clergy were deported and some priests killed by the communist secret police till the 80ies. For Poland, WW2 finished in 1989.

It is funny that ww2 started to free Poland from the nazi invasion to finally leave it to a similar dictature ruling.

So the word" liberated" is not the correct one. If you don' t believe me, go to Poland and ask polish people if they feel that they were " liberated" by the red army....

Poppo, if I'm correct, English is not your native language, and so I think you're missing the saracasm in ZuluCollector's post. None of us believes that the Soviets liberated Poland.
 
I see very interesting discussion here, and I appreciate your opinions, showing that you guys know much more about that subject than most of the people in western countries.
I will confirm what Poppo said: in 1945 Poland has LOST the war.
Even more, because we lost so many brave people in fights agains Germans during 5 years long war, in masacres like Katyn done by our red "brothers", and on the end in bloody finished Warsaw uprising, there were not many left able to persist to the new invader.
Btw, Warsaw uprising was lost not only because of no help from red army, but because Russians were blocking/arresting all Polish troops comming from area of Poland to join fighting Warsaw, and not allowing England/USA to sent help (foot, medicaments) for Warsaw (no access to airports).

Schetyna was more or less right, in the First Ukrainian Front - 60'th army releasing Auschwitz - was about half Ukrainians. More privates Ukrainians (28347) than Russians (22294), less sergeants and officers: Ukrainians (7568 + 2126), Russians (12603 + 7501). And what he said was just a small digression during longer discussion. Russians hysterical reaction for this shows how much they want to believe in their great history, and how affraid they are of the true.

Today we (Poland) have good relations with Germany, they have changed (had no choice after the war lost) and they don't deny the facts from the past.
With Russians is exactly opposite. You probably see how they keep laying every day. They didn't attack Poland in September 1939, they came to protect us. They didn't do the murder in Katyn and others - Germans did it. You will not find any information about this in any russian history school book. People simply don't know that at all. If you go there and try to talk with somebody, you will see they live in another world.
Today: No, they didn't invade Krym. No, no russians tanks and rackets are fighting in west of Ukrain (Lawrow just said that NATO troops fight there instead). No, that was not russian separatists who shooted Malesian Boeing (Ukrainian army did it).
And they succeed in these lies - poor russian people believe in all what Putin with Lawrow and russian TV says.
But are you supprised? Stalin, the number one in world biggest.., sorry I don't know right English word, (yes, Hittler is "only" number 2 on the list), was ruling Russia 30 years, in that time he was responsible for death of 50 milions of people, most of them where Russians, Ukrainians + other "brother" slavic nations. When he lived, after he died and even now he is hero for russians.
What a Nation is this???
 
Indeed, interesting discussion, and frankly, quite a heart-warming one for an émigré Pole to witness the level of historical knowledge and appreciation for some of the nuances of the Polish-Russian relations displayed by the Members of this Forum. I recall seeing another lengthy and engaging thread re the role of Stalin/Soviets in triggering WII....Wow...You people know your stuff!!

On the subject matter however, I think the Polish foreign affairs minister demonstrated, more than anything, his ignorance which, coupled with his lack of love for Russia, probably resulted in the remarks that he made. No question it was the Red Army that showed up at the gates of Auschwitz, and him trying to spin this particular event in any other way was ahistorical and therefore inaccurate. As a historian himself, he should have known better..it was also inappropriate coming from Poland's top diplomat. But I agree with others - the real issue is the disproportionately hysterical reaction by the Russians, which stems from their take on WII or more precisely from believing their own myth on the role of the Red Army in "liberating" Europe from the Nazis... They just do not get, or simply refuse to comprehend, that for Poland and other countries of the region, Soviet/Russian"liberation" meant substituting one form of occupation for another, and not much less evil at that. What Schetyna said represented a direct attack on that myth...The whole commotion also highlighted how history and the way it is used/interpreted can shed light on the current events - i.e., Russian "interpretation"/explanation of what is happening now in Ukraine, which to the Poles, and I'd think to other nations with similar historical experience, sounds as absurd as the myth of the Red Army's liberation march at the end of WWII... The degree to which propaganda tends to be passed as history or fact in Russia is scary...as is the knowledge of what really happened during WWII, or the lack thereof, among the general population...

Another intriguing remark by Janusz (Pozdrowionka...) re how Germans managed to turn it around and gradually regained genuine friendship of other nations, even Poles, which cannot be said of Russians. The main reason? Living up to historical truth and responsibility - even now on the 70th anniversary of the camp liberation, one of the main German newspapers published a huge pic of the Auschwitz concentration camp with a very unambiguous title - "Das ist Deutschland", which I believe translates to "This is Germany"...Can one imagine a Russian newspaper featuring a similar title over the pic of a gulag?
 
Hard to be politician and don't say anything what would not cause hysterical nervous reactions in Russia. One would have to say nothing, for sure not the true.
As we see mistakes happends even to Obama, who is in the same time strongest opposition to russian war politic these days. If USA will not stop russians, who will? For sure not joking sanctions made by EU.

And it is hard to celebrate "liberation" and new occupation starting in the same time. The communism system forced to us was finished in 1989, but economical and social price we pay till now. I'm quite sure if we could grow as all other democrative countries after the war, all would look differently. And no need for so many to emigrate for example to Canada (Greetings from Poland!)

Now we joined European Union with free job market, but live and salary conditions in Poland are so different (worse) than for example in UK, what cannot be changed in short period, that new emigration is even worse then before - now only young people are leaving what combined with negative population growth.... you know.

Sorry for my English and mistakes (fights on East of Ukraine not West), as you can easily see I'm not English native.
 

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