Should I even hope for anything in the May Dispatches? (1 Viewer)

[spartan71]

As april Is drawing To a close, I have been looking at the Collection, That I have Accumulated During the past 4 months. Sadly, Out of 16 plus purchases I have had. Only One The M3 Grant, is King And Country. I realized That K&C will bring out one or two Items, and lets me hope that there will be more. But keeps me hanging, always something is missing (like Another set or two.) to make it complete.
I Found (and probably 300 plus other Buyers). That there Is another Choice past K&C, A manufacturer that will give You An 88, plus the Crew, plus the Caisson, Plus the Halftrack and Riders At the same time. Where you are served a complete buffett ( a lot of choices) at the same time, Without waiting and hoping(that a particular piece would be made) and Will take years to complete if I stayed with K&C. I was a loyal strickly K&C buyer, before. But not anymore. There is a new and more flavorful choice, out there. And it will be if it is not already, Be at the Top of WW2 Arena, And the Napoleonic Arena. GO CS, GO FIGARTI!!!

 

[Rob]

As april Is drawing To a close, I have been looking at the Collection, That I have Accumulated During the past 4 months. Sadly, Out of 16 plus purchases I have had. Only One The M3 Grant, is King And Country. I realized That K&C will bring out one or two Items, and lets me hope that there will be more. But keeps me hanging, always something is missing (like Another set or two.) to make it complete.
I Found (and probably 300 plus other Buyers). That there Is another Choice past K&C, A manufacturer that will give You An 88, plus the Crew, plus the Caisson, Plus the Halftrack and Riders At the same time. Where you are served a complete buffett ( a lot of choices) at the same time, Without waiting and hoping(that a particular piece would be made) and Will take years to complete if I stayed with K&C. I was a loyal strickly K&C buyer, before. But not anymore. There is a new and more flavorful choice, out there. And it will be if it is not already, Be at the Top of WW2 Arena, And the Napoleonic Arena. GO CS, GO FIGARTI!!!

Now this puts people like myself in a difficult position. I understand your view but the way you've phrased it is a clear ra ra of other companies on K&C's thread. Now if myself or any other of the K&C fans disagree we will be accused of being rabid, driving out free speech etc. So would it not be better to put this post on the appropriate makers thread, just a suggestion.

Cheers

Rob

 

[DMNamiot]

Spartan71,

This thread is moved out of the K&C primary area because it isnt a discussion about K&C so much as one about the other companies mentioned. If the discussion were to remain in the K&C area there would not be a discussion only fighting . So as long as the discussion remains civil it will be allowed to go on.

Dave

 

[Rob]

Spartan71,

This thread is moved out of the K&C primary area because it isnt a discussion about K&C so much as one about the other companies mentioned. If the discussion were to remain in the K&C area there would not be a discussion only fighting . So as long as the discussion remains civil it will be allowed to go on.

Dave

Thanks Dave.

Now Spartan lets have a discussion!:smile2:.

It will be no surprise to hear I totally disagree with you. First off of course Figarti make some superb vehicles really nice indeed, their recent British and American armour has been fantastic. However I do believe their figures and the facial qualities of said are still pretty hit and miss. They do not have a true across the board standard as such that can identify them as Figarti, hopefully they will continue to improve.

But I'm sorry mate but CS, really???. Don't get me wrong they have made some nice stuff and I like their Napoleonics a lot, but I wouldn't put them in the same league and K&C in terms of WW2. Not only do they not produce a fraction of the variety K&C do but the paint job on some of the vehicles is just not there. Its all very well releasing King Tigers, riders and other stuff all in one go, but not if the quality is not there. I like the new 88's well enough but not the paint job on the KT's. Whilst their figures have lost the Zombie look of a few years back they are still too big to go well with other mfrs figures. No I'm afraid I don't think CS are likely to usurp K&C as No1, do you honestly believe they sell more than K&C do, no offence intended at all Spartan but I doubt it mate.

Am interested to see where Figarti go next, the train is nice but just doesn't do it for me because you are limited to what you can display with it etc, hopefully they will return to Allied armour soon.

K&C still No1 for me^&cool{bravo}}

Rob

 

[Currahee Chris]

I Found (and probably 300 plus other Buyers). That there Is another Choice past K&C, A manufacturer that will give You An 88, plus the Crew, plus the Caisson, Plus the Halftrack and Riders At the same time. Where you are served a complete buffett ( a lot of choices) at the same time, Without waiting and hoping(that a particular piece would be made) and Will take years to complete if I stayed with K&C. I was a loyal strickly K&C buyer, before. But not anymore. There is a new and more flavorful choice, out there. And it will be if it is not already, Be at the Top of WW2 Arena, And the Napoleonic Arena. GO CS, GO FIGARTI!!!

Good morning Spartan71

I have made the switch to CS myself and am looking forward to obtaining the 88 and the Easy 8 Sherman. That being said, in all fairness, I do believe, with past KC releases that they have in fact provided the 88, the Prime Mover and plenty of artillerymen to field the gun properly. I believe this was the WS52 et al subseries. Prior to that of course, was the WS21 et all subseries of the 88. It did not have the prime mover then but there was a beautiful base for the set as well as crewmen.

Sounds like your issue is with the fact that you aren't getting the 88 this year, which is understandable. I have skipped on both KC issues in prior years- all really dumb moves on my part, so naturally, as CS launched their fantastic looking piece this year, I knew I had to have it.

 

[Currahee Chris]

But I'm sorry mate but CS, really???. Don't get me wrong they have made some nice stuff and I like their Napoleonics a lot, but I wouldn't put them in the same league and K&C in terms of WW2. Not only do they not produce a fraction of the variety K&C do but the paint job on some of the vehicles is just not there. Its all very well releasing King Tigers, riders and other stuff all in one go, but not if the quality is not there. I like the new 88's well enough but not the paint job on the KT's. Whilst their figures have lost the Zombie look of a few years back they are still too big to go well with other mfrs figures. No I'm afraid I don't think CS are likely to usurp K&C as No1, do you honestly believe they sell more than K&C do, no offence intended at all Spartan but I doubt it mate.

Based on discussions I have had with all the shop owners here in the GBurg area, CS Naps and ACW figures sell out at a much quicker pace than KC does. I own some of their WW2 grunts and the scaling issue isn't really relevant to me- slighlty larger but not wildly off kilter.

While I do not see CS overtaking KC in the WW2 market, they suit my WW2 collecting needs just fine. I am sort of in the "fading into the sunset" stage with WW2 and CS's rate of releases and price schedules are on target for me. While they may not be as popular as KC, their blown tracks, dead guys, etc are all really innovative features which I believe help separate them. I traded off my BBG KT for the CS Normandy KT. I mush rather preferred that camo scheme but will admit that the CS KT looked a tad "boxy" in comparison to the KC one. At the end of the day, I am happy with the trade.

 

[Rob]

Yes their Naps and ACW figs are very nice,but as you say I just don't see them ever replacing K&C as No1 in the WW2 area. You also have to remember K&C have a huge fan base and many different theaters within WW2 itself, not to say CS don't produce good stuff, its just K&C have worked hard to get into their position and it would have to be an enormously popular product to overturn that lead.

Rob

 

[jazzeum]

I can see where this discussion will go and probably not anyplace good.

I have to agree with Rob totally on this one, they're not even in the same ballpark.

Of course, who cares what I or Rob think. There's enough choice out there to keep everyone happy, be it World War II, Sudan, Zulus, American Civil War, you name it.

 

[Rob]

I can see where this discussion will go and probably not anyplace good.

I have to agree with Rob totally on this one, they're not even in the same ballpark.

Of course, who cares what I or Rob think. There's enough choice out there to keep everyone happy, be it World War II, Sudan, Zulus, American Civil War, you name it.

' Who cares what Rob thinks'?. Have you been talking to my wife?!:wink2:

Spot on Brad, every post is just our own view and as collectors we have never been better catered for, and if CS does it for you, good on you I say!:smile2:

Must agree with Chris on a point he raised, I do like their thrown Track idea, very good.

Rob

 

[Wraith]

There's enough choice out there to keep everyone happy, be it World War II, Sudan, Zulus, American Civil War, you name it.

Modern? ^&grin:wink2:

 

[Rob]

Modern? ^&grin:wink2:

Modern is WW1/2 isn't it?!:wink2:

Rob

 

[jazzeum]

Modern? ^&grin:wink2:

Figarti, right?

 

[Currahee Chris]

I can see where this discussion will go and probably not anyplace good.

I'm taking bets by post 65 this thing is on lockdown. Giving odds 3:1 right now. +/- 3 posts my side. ^&grin^&grin Sprinkle in some comments about the ACW being the fault of the south and this thing drops to closure by post 40.

I dunno fellas, I was a diehard KC WW2 collector for 10+ years. I'm sold on CS myself through and through. Something must've happened for me to make the change....... even though KC's bread and butter is WW2, the competition has really amped up over the years..... hope they can keep pace.......quantity doesn't always equal quality.....

 

[Louis Badolato]

Gentlemen,

Is it me, or do few people on this forum appreciate being spoiled for choice?

First there is K&C, who make the widest range of figures, vehicles and aircraft I could imagine, give you good quality, and regular monthly releases.

Then Figarti, who make high quality vehicles at an affordable price, as well as magnificent "shock and awe" pieces no other manufacturer has attempted to produce in our hobby.

Then JJD, who make beautiful figures, the best armored vehicles I have seen in the hobby, excellent aircraft, but in very specific subject matter usually not addressed by the other manufacturers (French and Indian War, Jacobite Rebellion, Spanish Civil War, WWI aircraft - I known, K&C are doing WWI aircraft now as well).

Then Britains, who cover a wide range of subjects in good to excellent quality at an affordable price in both matt and traditional glossy ever since Richard Walker and Ken Osen resurrected it after Ertl left it dead.

Then FL, who make very high quality and very expensive items in very specific areas of collecting (Stalingrad, Napoleonic, American War of Independence).

Then Thomas Gunn, who make high quality but affordable figures, but only on a couple of subjects.

Honour Bound made the best primarily polystone vehicles on the market, and continues to produce some good quality figures.

And finally, Collectors Showcase, who have thrown out some very imaginative innovations, like vehicles with changeable tracks so you can display them in action or knocked out.

I for one am extremely happy for all these manufacturers. For a very long time (when K&C had no legitmate competition) I was a K&C purist. Then these other manufacturers came along, giving me wonderful additional choices for my collection. Now I own and proudly display figures, vehicles and aircraft from all but one of these manufacturers, and enjoy them all. Am I the only one who can appreciate the multiplicity of quality manufacturers?

 

[lancer]

Just my two cents. I like and collect both KC and CS as far as WW2 goes. Think the vehicle quality is pretty equal, (love the Tigers by both companies), but I think the thrown track option and different paint schemes may give CS a slight edge for the collector looking for display options. That said, the edge for number of different vehicles goes to KC. Kind of a push in my book that just increases my choices. As to figures, this is where individual taste really takes over. I like CS WW2 figures but still prefer KC to some degree. Now if you are talking Naps (which I don't collect) or ACW (which I do), I would go with CS. Just prefer the animation and painting. Now to go totally off mark, WW1 figures. I prefer Britains. I just feel that KC totally missed the mark on these figures, specifically, the Germans, and to a lesser extent, the British. Much too clean. I do like the KC French figures. Just feel that the Britains are much better in gritty look and action. I guess all I am saying is that I end up buying what catches my eye (and what I can afford) without a blind adherence to manufacturer. -- Al

 

[Currahee Chris]

Now to go totally off mark, WW1 figures. I prefer Britains.

I agree 100% there but mostly because WW1 is so iconic for Britains. I thought KC did a good job with their offerings though and believe it is reasonable for their Mark IV to become an iconic KC item over the next few years. I simply had to bow out from this endeavor altogether as I don't have enough money to keep up.

 

[Wraith]

Modern is WW1/2 isn't it?!:wink2:

Rob

If I pull up a sandbag Granddad, will you tell me what it was like in The Great 'Modern' War? ^&grin

Figarti, right?

Okay, I'm going to pull my 'kid in a sweet shop' card one more time.....I Want More! More I Say! :tongue:

 

[Phantom Warrior]

Gentlemen,

Is it me, or do few people on this forum appreciate being spoiled for choice?

First there is K&C, who make the widest range of figures, vehicles and aircraft I could imagine, give you good quality, and regular monthly releases.

Then Figarti, who make high quality vehicles at an affordable price, as well as magnificent "shock and awe" pieces no other manufacturer has attempted to produce in our hobby.

Then JJD, who make beautiful figures, the best armored vehicles I have seen in the hobby, excellent aircraft, but in very specific subject matter usually not addressed by the other manufacturers (French and Indian War, Jacobite Rebellion, Spanish Civil War, WWI aircraft - I known, K&C are doing WWI aircraft now as well).

Then Britains, who cover a wide range of subjects in good to excellent quality at an affordable price in both matt and traditional glossy ever since Richard Walker and Ken Osen resurrected it after Ertl left it dead.

Then FL, who make very high quality and very expensive items in very specific areas of collecting (Stalingrad, Napoleonic, American War of Independence).

Then Thomas Gunn, who make high quality but affordable figures, but only on a couple of subjects.

Honour Bound made the best primarily polystone vehicles on the market, and continues to produce some good quality figures.

And finally, Collectors Showcase, who have thrown out some very imaginative innovations, like vehicles with changeable tracks so you can display them in action or knocked out.

I for one am extremely happy for all these manufacturers. For a very long time (when K&C had no legitmate competition) I was a K&C purist. Then these other manufacturers came along, giving me wonderful additional choices for my collection. Now I own and proudly display figures, vehicles and aircraft from all but one of these manufacturers, and enjoy them all. Am I the only one who can appreciate the multiplicity of quality manufacturers?

You're not the only one - I have AFVs and/or figures from each of the manufacturers you mentioned.

Terry

 

[Rob]

If I pull up a sandbag Granddad, will you tell me what it was like in The Great 'Modern' War? ^&grin

My pleasure Junior....once upon a time there was a misunderstood painter from Austria will one ball and one silly moustache, even Hercule Poirot laughed at him, anyway we won they lost the end.

Rob

 

[lancer]

Just my two cents. I like and collect both KC and CS as far as WW2 goes. Think the vehicle quality is pretty equal, (love the Tigers by both companies), but I think the thrown track option and different paint schemes may give CS a slight edge for the collector looking for display options. That said, the edge for number of different vehicles goes to KC. Kind of a push in my book that just increases my choices. As to figures, this is where individual taste really takes over. I like CS WW2 figures but still prefer KC to some degree. Now if you are talking Naps (which I don't collect) or ACW (which I do), I would go with CS. Just prefer the animation and painting. Now to go totally off mark, WW1 figures. I prefer Britains. I just feel that KC totally missed the mark on these figures, specifically, the Germans, and to a lesser extent, the British. Much too clean. I do like the KC French figures. Just feel that the Britains are much better in gritty look and action. I guess all I am saying is that I end up buying what catches my eye (and what I can afford) without a blind adherence to manufacturer. -- Al

Forgot to mention one small detail. I will drop all the above to a hold status for JJD's WW1 aircraft and accompanying figures. WW1 is my first and biggest love. All else takes a back seat.^&grin -- Al