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[King's Man]

Suggestions!!

My suggestion is that First Legion not include the artillery officer with the cannon package. This discourages me from buying multiple cannons. When I do buy more than one, I end up with too many officers. Sell the officer as a separate add on piece. This will also help to lower the price of each artillery grouping. The present price of $295.00 might be lowered to maybe around $250.00. While still a chuck of money, it would be a little easier to manage.

At some future date I would also like to see addition artillerymen sold separately for the stand alone cannons that you already have for sell. I think Matt has said that is already part of First Legion's master plan.

King’s Man

 

[FirstLegion]

Suggestions!!

My suggestion is that First Legion not include the artillery officer with the cannon package. This discourages me from buying multiple cannons. When I do buy more than one, I end up with too many officers. Sell the officer as a separate add on piece. This will also help to lower the price of each artillery grouping. The present price of $295.00 might be lowered to maybe around $250.00. While still a chuck of money, it would be a little easier to manage.

At some future date I would also like to see addition artillerymen sold separately for the stand alone cannons that you already have for sell. I think Matt has said that is already part of First Legion's master plan.

King’s Man

Interesting suggestion. It is unlikely that we would produce and sell an artillery officer separately from the main artillery sets as there is simply too much potential for us to have tons of Artillery officers left over with nothing to go with them as the artillery officer is really only usable with the set and isn't a "generic" figure so to speak. The same is true for the individual gunner approach, so we abandoned that idea as well. They are sets and will most likely always remain as such and only such. Offering the cannons separately is about as far as we'll go on this I think.

So I'll put the question back to you - would you prefer say a 5 man crew and a gun with no officer available in the set or separately (i.e. no officer ever made) or would you prefer it the way that it is? It is much more realistic that we would just eliminate the officer and never make one than it is that we'd make it and sell it separately.

Regards,

Matt
First Legion Ltd

 

[King's Man]

Matt, I understand what you are saying and of course I would prefer to have the officer included. However, if you made a second artillery crew for the same country, the second set shouldn’t have the officer. An example would be if you ever got around to making a second Russian gun team in new poses; I could do without another officer.

King’s Man

 

[King's Man]

Suggestion Number 2:

I would like to see NAP0162 Prussian 11th Line Infantry Musketeers Falling Vignette sold as two individual figures. It is hard to tell by just looking at the photos on the website, but I am thinking these are two figures on the same base. Either one would look just fine without the other. Of course together they are magnificent. To allow the collectors the most possible combinations of poses it would be cool to be able to show the two figures in different locations without his partner. To make it easy on yourself you could even use the same base just not put one or the other figure on.

I know I am getting ahead of myself because I haven’t even purchased all of the many poses that you have already available. Fear not thou, I will soon do so and then long for new ways of displaying the figures to further enhance my diorama.

What are your thoughts about this suggestion?

King's Man

 

[Spitfrnd]

Suggestion Number 2:

I would like to see NAP0162 Prussian 11th Line Infantry Musketeers Falling Vignette sold as two individual figures. It is hard to tell by just looking at the photos on the website, but I am thinking these are two figures on the same base. Either one would look just fine without the other. Of course together they are magnificent. To allow the collectors the most possible combinations of poses it would be cool to be able to show the two figures in different locations without his partner. To make it easy on yourself you could even use the same base just not put one or the other figure on.....

I like your suggestion in theory mate but I don't think Matt will be very enthusiastic about this one; he nearly had a stroke when I suggested modifying this piece by seperating them. Technically it is not as simple as it might appear from the main view. If you look down at the alternate views of the figure you will see they are not only on the same base but appear to touch in at least one spot. This one shows that best:

I do agree with your theory on this one mate. I know Matt likes his historical paintings (and this set is derived strongly from one) but I also much prefer seperate figures. In fact the only Guard Chasseur I have yet to buy is the double wounded figure, which would indeed have to have modified poses to be done seperately. To me the doubles just restrict your display options more than I would like and they are nearly twice the cost (of course) of a single figure. It will be interesting to see what he says this time around.

 

[DCN1898]

In my personal opinion, I could do without the officer in the gun crew. A sergeant as "Chief of Piece" would be enough. I think that for those who would buy a battery, the officer figure wouldn't be missed.
It would be for Matt to figure out if there is a market but maybe he could do a mounted artillery officer figure in the vein of the mounted French and British infantry colonels.

 

[FirstLegion]

Selling these vignette pieces as separate figures is something we never considered. I suppose in the case of the Prussian one, we could have separated the bottom guy and sold him as a single in addition to selling him as part of the two piece vignette, but for the top guy it wouldn't work. For the one with the Guard Chasseur, it wouldn't work at all as they are sculpted to really fit together and can't be separated. In terms of why we designed them like this, it's because you just can't get the figures close enough or intertwined enough if you do them on separate bases as you can if you do them on a single base and it would ruin the overall effect we were trying to achieve. Personally speaking I feel that these two respective pieces do more for these releases in terms of adding realism and feel than do any others. Thus, rather than change it, we plan on doing many more of these pieces as they really are popular with our customers (present company excluded!), go a long way in adding detail to large multi-figure displays, and, frankly speaking, are some of my favorite pieces that we've done.

See the image below and how seemlessly and tightly it fits into the formation? Sure, we could have just done the guy laying on the ground without the guy falling on top of him, but the two figure piece is more interesting.

Prussian 11th Line Infantry

In this image, the guard chasseur wounded by the cannon adds amosphere. Realistically speaking, you just can't make pieces like this as separates I don't think and achieve the same result.

Prussian 11th Line Infantry Assaulting Plancenoit

It's all a matter of taste and personal preference of course with both of these suggestions and there is a balance between flexibility and our objectives in producing a given piece or set. In regards to the Artillery, we simply can't design for those who want to buy a full battery and instead plan for those who buy just one. That being said, perhaps doing future artillery sets with only the five figure crew and no officer is somethig we could consider. In regards to the two figure vignette pieces, I think the superior effect that can be achieved by keeping them together far outweighs any added flexibility you might get by separating them.

Best,

Matt

 

[nasirkasmani]

magnifique display matt.

those houses are rather useful as well.

 

[Spitfrnd]

Indeed they are; as are the walls which I hope are included in the release of the buildings. I knew he wouldn't like that suggestion but at least it got us a stunning alternative look at the scenery pieces.

As an aside, Matt what did you use for for the dio mat or base material in this scene?

 

[Fusilier]

Can't wait to see these village pieces when they are ready for pre-order! They do create an amazing diorama.

As far as the two-figure per base pieces, I think they are very good. Matt said it best, you couldn't display two seperate figures as close and get the same effect. We have all asked the companies for casualty figures and First Legion has stepped up here. I think both of the two-figure pieces add a lot of drama and realism.

Also, I happened to notice the Old Guard Grenadiers in the background. Does this mean they are close to release?

Noah

 

[King's Man]

Matt,

My number 2 suggestion for separate figures for the falling vignette was to be in addition to, not instead of the two figure base. I totally agree that the single base for both figures is necessary; otherwise you could not have archived the animation you have wonderfully captured. I still plan to play around with removing the top figure and seeing what is possible just to mix things up a bit in my dioramas. Matt, are the two figures glued to each other at any point other then the base?

The way I have envisioned using the two figures vignette isn’t the same as your picture shows. The front of its base should be in line with the other bases going across the front, not sticking out. The second or top figure is the soldier from the second rank; the bottom figure is the first rank soldier who is no longer in his spot on the front rank leaving a hole in the front rank. The only man behind him would be the third rank. In your picture you are showing only a two rank formation so the man on top should be the second rank soldier so there shouldn’t be a soldier behind him. Am I explaining this correctly? Do you see what I mean?

See Picture in another reply below:


Having said that, everyone is free to display their troops anyway they like. There is not just one correct way to display your troops.

Matt these are truly great figures, can’t wait to have them. The buildings are super as well.

King’s Man

 

[marco55]

For the artillery sets could you not have two seperate sets,1A and 1B,the second set without the officer?Say you did 500 sets of each so you would make so you would make 5000 crew (1000 of each figure type ) and 500 officers.I 've seen sets where there are variations.Just asking Matt
Mark

 

[King's Man]

Here is the picture I was discussing in pervious reply:



King's Man

 

[FirstLegion]

The way I have envisioned using the two figures vignette isn’t the same as your picture shows. The front of its base should be in line with the other bases going across the front, not sticking out. The second or top figure is the soldier from the second rank; the bottom figure is the first rank soldier who is no longer in his spot on the front rank leaving a hole in the front rank. The only man behind him would be the third rank. In your picture you are showing only a two rank formation so the man on top should be the second rank soldier so there shouldn’t be a soldier behind him. Am I explaining this correctly? Do you see what I mean?

You are absolutely correct of course and it can be displayed equally well, and probably more correctly, sliding it back so that the two figure base lines up with the front of the unit as you suggest. I only photo it this way because it shows the piece better in photographs and doesn't hide it a bit as it would if I slid it back into it's proper place in the formation. But your display suggestion would probably be more technically correct.

In regards to separating them, I think you can easily separate the top guy from the bottom guy and have the bottom guy be fully usable. You'll have to touch up the blanket roll on the bottom guy as the hand from the top guy is glued there, but otherwise it should be pretty easy. In regards to the top guy, he too could be used with a bit of custom work. You'd have to drill his foot and pin him to a blank base and then touch up his hand painting, but otherwise I think it would work. I'll be curious to see what you can do with it though so if you do pickup this piece and customize it, please do share some images of it.

Best,

Matt
First Legion Ltd

 

[FirstLegion]

Also, I happened to notice the Old Guard Grenadiers in the background. Does this mean they are close to release?

Noah

Thanks Noah. Regarding the Old Guard Grenadiers, they're close in that you'll see them this year, but not so close that you should be mislead by the fact that because I have some means they will be released imminently! Of course I have some.

Best,

Matt

 

[FirstLegion]

For the artillery sets could you not have two seperate sets,1A and 1B,the second set without the officer?Say you did 500 sets of each so you would make so you would make 5000 crew (1000 of each figure type ) and 500 officers.I 've seen sets where there are variations.Just asking Matt
Mark

Hmmm........Interesting thought. However, we're already going to have an A-B set, one with a 20lb Licorne and one with a 12lb Gun. So this would mean an A-D set. However, that is a good suggestion as to how to provide it. I'll have to give that some thought.

As for making 1000 Russian Artillery Sets, I only wish we could sell 1000 Russian Artillery Sets. That would be about $300k in sales on the one set and I wouldn't be chatting with you guys on a forum, I'd be mailing it in from the Maldives working on my golf game and dining on crab and lobster daily....perhaps someday......

Best,

Matt

 

[Fusilier]

Of course I have some.

Best,

Matt

I know. It just makes me all the more jealous.....

Noah

 

[Spitfrnd]

...In regards to separating them, I think you can easily separate the top guy from the bottom guy and have the bottom guy be fully usable. You'll have to touch up the blanket roll on the bottom guy as the hand from the top guy is glued there, but otherwise it should be pretty easy. In regards to the top guy, he too could be used with a bit of custom work. You'd have to drill his foot and pin him to a blank base and then touch up his hand painting, but otherwise I think it would work. I'll be curious to see what you can do with it though so if you do pickup this piece and customize it, please do share some images of it.
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Well of course you can do amazing things with customization, with the right talent, as you know But since you mention this, breaking the glue points on the hand to blanket and the feet for the rear soldier could be tricky for most of us. What about the Chassuer two piece, where are they glued to each other? Admittedly the wounded figure would need to be propped against something so it is not as practical to divide them.