Tesla - the electric car (1 Viewer)

I've been thinking about a new car and someone sent me this link on the new Tesla electric sedan. This looks almost too good to be true -federal tax credit, no gas, range of nearly 300 miles. And it looks great. The sedan is in the $50K range. Anyone familiar with these?

http://green.autoblog.com/2009/03/26/tesla-model-s-50-000-ev-sedan-seats-seven-300-mile-range-0-6/

http://www.teslamotors.com/buy/buyshowroom.php

Sounds better than the Volt by GM. It's a lot of money and I would worry about where to recharge it. And would the battery lose capacity (range) over time? Don't forget to add the cost of electricity to charge it vs. the cost of gas.

You have time to think about it. Production doesn't start until late 2011.

Terry
 
Also I've read somewhere that it takes a long time to recharge the batteries when it comes to electric cars. That is major inconvinience, will there be a way to solve it (changeable batteries, while one is recharging the other one is working???).


Paulo
 
Also I've read somewhere that it takes a long time to recharge the batteries when it comes to electric cars. That is major inconvinience, will there be a way to solve it (changeable batteries, while one is recharging the other one is working???).


Paulo

I've never been a big conspiracy guy, but when it comes to the electric car I make an exception. The oil and car companies have done everything possible to thwart that technology. We all could have been driving them 30 years ago. One of the things they did was create a lot of misinformation about range, speed, charging. For example, the Tesla can go nearly 300 miles. It takes about 4 hours to fully charge. You can do it at night like a cell phone. It also has a speed charger and batteries than can extend it's range. If the government was serious about promoting these cars, they would require electric outlets to plug them in at work like a coffee pot. You might think the car manufacturers would have an incentive to produce electric cars that sell, but they make most of their money servicing the existing cars. Electric cars do not require the same amout of service. Rather than saying that they make a hundred excuses as to why they won't work.
 
no conspiracy theory - it was a conspiracy. same for buses and light rail... think LA.

The only thing which would concern me about the Teslas is where to get them serviced. Seems more and more, local mechanics are not able to work on various cars as they become more "proprietary".
 
I like the idea of the PHEV (Plug-in Hybrid Electric Vehicle). The concept is that, like traditional hybrids, the car has both an electric and an internal combustion engine. The difference is that this hybrid can be plugged into the grid and can run exclusively on electricity for the shorter commuter trips. The internal combustion engine acts as a fall back which, in my opinion, will be required during a transition to full electric.

From an environmental perspective you may argue that energy has to come from somewhere and since roughly half of the electricity in the U.S. is produced from coal how does the electric car help? The answer lies in efficiency. The "thermal efficiency" (the ability to convert fuel into useful work) of an internal combustion engine is terrible, in the 20-25% range. An old fashioned pulverized coal power plant is around 34% and the newer ones are better than 40%. Electric motors aren't 100% efficient either but when you do the math it turns out that driving an electric car, even one powered by electricity produced from coal, emiisions per mile/km driven are lower. Clearly electric cars contribution to the air quality of urban centers would be substantial.

From an energy independence perspective I think the benefits are obvious. Any reduction in the dependence on foreign energy sources is a good thing.

One concern I have with hybrids and PHEVs is the cost of maintenance and upkeep. I highly doubt the complexity of the drive system will lend itself to inexpensive repairs and specialized equipment and training will definitely be required. Then there is the cost of the battery pack. The battery pack has a limited life and at some point will have to be replaced. This will run into the thousands of dollars.

Fortunately my current car will last another 5+ years so there is some time for the technology to develop a little further before I have to consider such a purchase.
 

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