The Imitating game (1 Viewer)

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My favourite film being Enigma, this new film based on the same story (The Imitation Game) looks to be winner. Hope Keira Knightley lives up to my favourite Kate Winslet, time will tell. Robin.
 
Saw it today which is opening day in Oz. Interesting to see the cinema as full as it was on opening day of the Hobbit so looks like this movie going to do well.

Very interesting story and good movie. As my better half said "very British". Some good scenes with Charles Dance (ie. job interview) and Mark Strong. I looked into the background of the main characters and recommend it as interesting to see what happened to them after the war. The Keira Knightly character did go on to work for GCHQ for a long time as did the chess player. There was a Russian spy in Bletchley Park.

As with many movies based on real events the characters and events have been condensed to fit the time available.

The main character, Alan Turing, did receive an OBE for his wartime contributions but his end is sad considering his significant contribution. However his work (including before and after the war) and name are remembered in many ways throughout the world, particularly in academic institutions. Pity he never got to see how much his work was later appreciated.

Recommend to all.
 
Good stuff, looking to see this Sunday night. My favourite movie is Enigma, but that starred Kate Winslet, so this cannot be as good as that movie. ^&grin, Robin.
 
Saw this last night at a crowded theater, Highly recommended, well acted and still very timely, quite sad in many ways but very thought provoking. To think they kept this a secret for 50 yrs. is amazing! These people lived out their lives in anonymity and in the end horribly persecuted, won't say anymore as it's a spoiler. For me it immeadiately brought to mind our present struggles with gov't security agencies and the NSA and what secrets do they keep? What courses of world history have they altered? When you see agency heads stand up before Government enquiries and the press and stoically refuse to to say they've done anything wrong, it often strikes me that there seems to be an odd sense of calmness and an "if you only knew" attitude in these individuals? What they know....
Ray
 
Good film, well worth the watch. Probably more historically correct than the previous Enigma film which is still my favourite. This film would be classed as a drama rather than a thriller as I have seen it advertised. Robin.
 
Here's an article pointing out significant differences between the historical record and the movie, http://www.nybooks.com/blogs/nyrblo...ware&utm_term=A Poor Imitation of Alan Turing

Brad,
Very interesting article and thanks for posting.

I cant be a 100% sure but I do think movie opened with the words Based on a true story. Very few movies open with the words everything in this movie is true.

The author of that article raises some interesting points relative to Turings personality and historical accuracy.

Reviewer seems to think his homosexuality was not covered enough in the movie. The movie is shown in different time frames. School time is shown in flash backs where he is shown to be developing an interest in another boy (whether it was a mutual interest it was hard to tell from the movie). The post war scenes are mainly related to the burglary investigation which leads to his conviction for gross indecency (then a crime). During the wartime scenes the plot mainly revolves around cracking the code and his homosexuality is less of an issue than his apparent "nerdyness" and difficulty in working with others.

This kind of movie is a gift for the critic as there is so much that can not be included in a 2 hour movie. For example the Charles Dance character had been in charge of British code cracking etc since just after WW1 and lost his job after Turing and others went over his head to Churchill. Another took over from him and this was not covered by the movie. The "team" shown in the movie was not together for all the time as shown in the movie and some were involved in cracking the German army codes which was done before the Navy code which is what the movie is concerned with. The Russian spy, Cairncross, did work at Bletchley Park but not in Turings section as shown. The inclusion of a cross word in the newspaper was actually used as a recruitment tool.

The post war scenes not very clear. It almost conveys the impression that he was unemployed after the war when he was in fact involved in a lot of work on computers etc and was working at Manchester University (see below).

The job interview scene which was entertaining is in itself misleading as it comes without the audience knowing his pre war background. He was already a highly regarded mathematician and had worked on computability etc. The interviewer (Dance/Dennison) did deliberately target mathematicians as code breakers despite him questioning his lack of German. Incidentally Princeton's (where he studied for 2 years) The Princeton Alumni Weekly named Turing the second most significant alumnus in the history of Princeton University, second only to President James Madison.

This site is interesting :
http://www.turing.org.uk Website maintained by biographer Andrew Hodges

Summary from that page:
1912 (23 June): Birth, Paddington, London
1926-31: Sherborne School
1930: Death of friend Christopher Morcom
1931-34: Undergraduate at King's College, Cambridge University
1932-35: Quantum mechanics, probability, logic. Fellow of King's College, Cambridge
1936: The Turing machine, computability, universal machine
1936-38: Princeton University. Ph.D. Logic, algebra, number theory
1938-39: Return to Cambridge. Introduced to German Enigma cipher machine
1939-40: The Bombe, machine for Enigma decryption
1939-42: Breaking of U-boat Enigma, saving battle of the Atlantic
1943-45: Chief Anglo-American crypto consultant. Electronic work.
1945: National Physical Laboratory, London
1946: Computer and software design leading the world.
1947-48: Programming, neural nets, and artificial intelligence
1948: Manchester University, first serious mathematical use of a computer
1950: The Turing Test for machine intelligence
1951: Elected FRS. Non-linear theory of biological growth
1952: Arrested as a homosexual, loss of security clearance
1953-54: Unfinished work in biology and physics
1954 (7 June): Death (suicide) by cyanide poisoning, Wilmslow, Cheshire.

More recently there have been suggestions his death might have been murder (ie, by security services as he knew too much) but seems we will never know.

Saw an interesting reference to Apple logo somewhere. Turing suicide was apparently by cyanide and a partly eaten apple was found by him. Steve Jobs was once asked if Apple logo was a reference to Turing. He said it was not but wished it was.

Overall what defines Turing to me is his genius and many achievements coupled with sadness that he was charged with a crime for something which is no longer a crime and ended his own life.

Prior to the movie if somebody asked me who Alan Turing was I would have had no idea. This is a contributor to WWII effort whose work should be as well known as Generals like Monty and Patton. Whilst the Generals got the fame and glory the intelligence guys who worked at Bletchly Park and other such places/organisations had to keep quiet about what they did.

Statement of apology by the Prime Minister, Gordon Brown, 10 September 2009:
... a quite brilliant mathematician... whose unique contribution helped to turn the tide of war... horrifying that he was treated so inhumanely...

Brett
 

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