Ticonderoga to Bushy Run; BoM to Ticonderoga (1 Viewer)

[Fraxinus]

After Ticonderoga, the 42nd was awarded "Royal" status.

So to convert to a Ticonderoga figure to "Royal", you would have to repaint just the collar and the cuffs? A start to Bushy Run!!!

To convert 44th BoM to 44th Ticonderoga, simply paint the pants Red?

Bah, just received a private message --- the waistcoats on the 44th would need repainting as well!!!

 

[mikemiller1955]

After Ticonderoga, the 42nd was awarded "Royal" status.

So to convert to a Ticonderoga figure to "Royal", you would have to repaint just the collar and the cuffs? A start to Bushy Run!!!

To convert 44th BoM to 44th Ticonderoga, simply paint the pants Red?

Bah, just received a private message --- the waistcoats on the 44th would need repainting as well!!!

Ceste la vie say the old folks...

the message was not meant to burst your bubble...

but lets be honest...

would you really repaint your BM's...

I doubt it...

 

[Fraxinus]

Add the sleeve braid to the Quebec 28th, you get a 44th Ticonderoga?

To be honest, I wouldn't ever repaint a figure, that would be a sin. I was just being mischievous, yet again. But I do remember someone successfully repainting a Quebec British figure (47th) to a 44th BoM. This was long before the recent BoM releases, so it served a need for that collector. But if I were Combat, I would consider having the cuffs and collar changed to a blue on at least 1 figure. Hell, if I were JJD, I would send Combat the figure (BoBR 1 of 1)!!!

 

[Combat]

Hell, if I were JJD, I would send Combat the figure (BoBR 1 of 1)!!!

Now that's a great idea. I think Bushy Run is pretty much dead though with the Ticonderoga release. Can't see John making another batch of Black Watch for a different line, but they did look snazzy in blue. Maybe John will have mercy on us and do a Col. Henry Bouquet club figure at some point.

 

[BlakeWR85]

Add the sleeve braid to the Quebec 28th, you get a 44th Ticonderoga?

To be honest, I wouldn't ever repaint a figure, that would be a sin. I was just being mischievous, yet again. But I do remember someone successfully repainting a Quebec British figure (47th) to a 44th BoM. This was long before the recent BoM releases, so it served a need for that collector. But if I were Combat, I would consider having the cuffs and collar changed to a blue on at least 1 figure. Hell, if I were JJD, I would send Combat the figure (BoBR 1 of 1)!!!

Feeling bad about repainting is legalism, not a sin Actually I was the one who repainted a 47th to a 44th (I actually had to shave off the white trim on the waistcoat too, so it was more "damage" than just repainting ). Actually, I did this long after I knew about the new BoM releases, but they were line figures, I wanted a new 44th grenadier . If I was into Bushy Run, I would repaint the new highlanders, but I don't collect any highlanders, so it wouldn't be for me. Honestly, I think you'd be better off repainting 47th figures, changing the white facings to yellow, it would be a quick fix, heck I could do it for you. The reason I repainted him was because I collect on a permanent basis. I don't buy figures with the premeditated plan to resell them, I know when I buy (and/or convert) something I have no need to worry about "resale value." I'm just trying to enhance my collection (which I don't consider an investment, it's a hobby, fun is the key word ). If you're neither 100% sure of keeping them indefinitely nor 100% confident in your painting skills, then doing this is not for the faint of heart. Or, you could let someone who is able paint them for you. Either way, the next few months are great for JJD collectors

 

[marco55]

After Ticonderoga, the 42nd was awarded "Royal" status.

So to convert to a Ticonderoga figure to "Royal", you would have to repaint just the collar and the cuffs? A start to Bushy Run!!!

To convert 44th BoM to 44th Ticonderoga, simply paint the pants Red?

Bah, just received a private message --- the waistcoats on the 44th would need repainting as well!!!

The pants and waistcoat were different on the 44th by the time of Ticondroga?
Mark

 

[Fraxinus]

Combat's judgement is much better at this sort of thing, but I would think the 44th would be back in their standard issues (red pants, etc.). Ticonderoga, July 1758. Monongahela, July 1755.

 

[marco55]

I guess what I'm asking is the 44th interchangable between both battles,Monongahela and Ticonderoga clothing wise or is there something different?
Mark

 

[Fraxinus]

Marco,

I may not be answering your question, but I believe the only difference would be in the color of the pants and the waistcoats. For BoM, Braddock had "special" paints and waistcoats made in Europe for both the 44th and 48th regiments -- lighter weight materials more suitable to the hot summers in North America. My assumption is that these special pants have been replaced with the "standard" by the time of Ticonderoga. As previous threads have repeatedly proved, my assumptions are often wrong. The king's colors and regimental colors would be the same. Some of the officers in the BM series are wearing the "standard" red paints and waistcoats (BM-3) and the BM drummers are in "standard" colors. That said, I really do not see a problem mixing BoM figures or Quebec into Ticonderoga scenes. The Return to Monongahela figures look ideal for a abatis scene.

At a toy soldier scale, the 28th regiment from the Quebec series differs from the standard 44th largely due to the lack of a braid pattern on the coat just above the sleeve on the 28th. Otherwise, really close.... I have thought that simply changing the flags on the 28th to those of the 44th and then using the 28th figures for a Ticonderoga scene might work out well, especially as the 42nd and 44th were adjacent to one another at Ticonderoga. Some nice kneeling wounded in the 28th release.

The La Sarre from Quebec are Ticonderoga. And the french drummer from the Quebec series can be used in any of the french regiments at Ticonderoga except La Reine. The french marines are good as well.

 

[marco55]

thanks Ken that's good enough answer for me.
Mark

 

[marco55]

I have another question.The justacorps that the French wore,they wouldn't wear that in the summer would they?The reason I ask is there are a couple of sets of the colonial marines in the Quebec range wearing them and I just don't see them wearing them for Monongahela and Ticonderoga as they both were in July.
Mark

 

[Fraxinus]

Really good question, but the same could be asked of the British.

Simply based on the temperature, it would be logical that the french would have abandoned both the justaucorps and possibly the waistcoat as well. If just in the waistcoat, half the french troops would be "blue" or other half "red" in waistcoats.

In one of the Osprey texts, it suggests that Montcalm is likely to have ordered his troops to wear their justaucorps at Ticonderoga because of problems the french encountered during the Siege of Fort William Henry. The Osprey text does not elaborate further as to what those problems were, but I would assume friendly fire incidents, especially in an environment of dense smoke.

Maybe Combat can add something to the discussion?

 

[catul]

It is correct that the Osprey text you refer to ("Ticonderoga 1758" p.75) suggests that Montcalm is likely to have ordered his troops to wear their justaucorps, but (because of the time of year) without their waistcoats, so they only wore their shirts underneath their coats!

Niels

Really good question, but the same could be asked of the British.

Simply based on the temperature, it would be logical that the french would have abandoned both the justaucorps and possibly the waistcoat as well. If just in the waistcoat, half the french troops would be "blue" or other half "red" in waistcoats.

In one of the Osprey texts, it suggests that Montcalm is likely to have ordered his troops to wear their justaucorps at Ticonderoga because of problems the french encountered during the Siege of Fort William Henry. The Osprey text does not elaborate further as to what those problems were, but I would assume friendly fire incidents, especially in an environment of dense smoke.

Maybe Combat can add something to the discussion?

 

[Fraxinus]

Justaucorps without a waistcoat is likely the proper and correct historical answer, but it is so not SNAZZY. Reject that idea (least on the figures) (OMG: Did this rivet counter just say reject history in favor of fashion sense??)

 

[mikemiller1955]

Justaucorps without a waistcoat is likely the proper and correct historical answer, but it is so not SNAZZY. Reject that idea (least on the figures) (OMG: Did this rivet counter just say reject history in favor of fashion sense??)

You are what you eat...have a bowl of rivets...

 

[Fraxinus]

Besides converting the Ticonderoga 42nd (buff) to post Ticonderoga Royals by repainting the cuffs and collars blue, if you painted them green, you would have the 77th Highlanders.

Grant's Defeat (September 1758) was a mini-Monongahela, but without cannon and but as compensation have guys in kilts. Great diorama opportunity, especially as you get to use indians, french regulars, french militia, colonials, guys in kilts and a fort!!!

Grant's Defeat was the British Armies second failed attempt to capture Fort Duquense. Under the command of Major Grant were 300 of his own 77th Highlanders, 100 of the 60th Royal American Regiment, 150 Virginia Provincials, 100 Maryland Provincials and 100 Pennsylvania Provincials along with an unspecified number of Native American scouts. On September 9, Major Grant and his little army left the protection of Fort Ligonier and begun the march west. The operation was a fiasco, but any battle were you wake the enemy up by playing bagpipes in front of the gate to their fort deserves a diorama. They literally had to wake up the french and indians to start the battle.

By 11:00 on September 13, Major Grant and his remaining 12 men found themselves completely surrounded. With the dignity of a Highland gentleman, Grant surrendered. Over 300 of the original 750 men were killed, wounded, or missing. The remaining stragglers returned to Fort Ligonier beaten and exhausted. Major Grant and many of his officers would spend the next year in a Quebec prison.

Not as good as a Bushy Run Scene, but very close.

 

[old tank]

Fraximus.....
Thanks for the great idea. I am buying a lot of the Highlanders . I want
to get some painted blue for Bushy Run. With the cuffs and collars green I can
have the 77th. also and use my fort with that diorama. Thanks.

 

[Fraxinus]

Grant's Defeat = Battle of Fort Duquesne

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Fort_Duquesne

New Book on the Forbes Campaign in Pennsylvania, author is brutally critical of Grant. The British Defeat of the French in Pennsylvania, 1758: A Military History ... By Douglas R. Cubbison (2010). Chapter on Grant's Defeat starts on page 122 if you can read the preview. (I really liked the segment of the text I could read). Link below:


http://books.google.com/books?id=H6...orbes road campaign pennsylvania 1758&f=false