Trouble in Northern Ireland (1 Viewer)

[The General]

As an Irish born Catholic I must say I am saddened to hear of the death of 2 British soldiers and a policemen in Northern Ireland.

As much as I wish Britain had never taken a foot hole in the north of Ireland, I cannot condone the actions of fellow Catholics hell-bent on derailing the peace process.

My heart goes out to the young men who lost their lives.

Hopefully their killers will be brought to justice and that the lasting peace will prevail.

 

[Rob]

The people of Northern Ireland deserve to live in peace without the fear of violence stalking their daily lives,they should be able to live how they want to live without someone trying to force their opinions on them.My deepest sympathy goes out to the families of the two soldiers and as of today the Policeman who have died in this last week.

Rob

 

[Molloy]

It really has been a very worrying few days.

I sat down to look at the paper over breakfast on Sunday and nearly dropped my knife and fork - it seemed utterly, utterly bizarre to see a headline about two British soldiers being killed in NI in 2009. The news last night makes it even worse.

The people behind this are absolute scum, who posess only the most minimal of isolated support anywhere in Ireland. I feel somewhat obliged to stress to the international members of the forum, and especially those from the UK, that whatever these thugs do, they certainly don't do it on my behalf, or indeed on behalf of almost anyone on this island.

Fingers crossed these events don't spell any kind of return to the bad old days - that's precisely what these people would like to see. I was in Belfast only last weekend for a day-trip and was delighted to see how absolutely normalised everything had become. It would be beyond a shame if anything is allowed to threaten that.

Apologies if this strays into the area of politics, but as said, I feel enormously strongly about this.

Molloy.

 

[Rob]

It really has been a very worrying few days.

I sat down to look at the paper over breakfast on Sunday and nearly dropped my knife and fork - it seemed utterly, utterly bizarre to see a headline about two British soldiers being killed in NI in 2009. The news last night makes it even worse.

The people behind this are absolute scum, who posess only the most minimal of isolated support anywhere in Ireland. I feel somewhat obliged to stress to the international members of the forum, and especially those from the UK, that whatever these thugs do, they certainly don't do it on my behalf, or indeed on behalf of almost anyone on this island.

Fingers crossed these events don't spell any kind of return to the bad old days - that's precisely what these people would like to see. I was in Belfast only last weekend for a day-trip and was delighted to see how absolutely normalised everything had become. It would be beyond a shame if anything is allowed to threaten that.

Apologies if this strays into the area of politics, but as said, I feel enormously strongly about this.

Molloy.

Hey Molloy,

You don't need to apologise mate,it must be awful for you all right now.And i don't think there is a single person on this forum who think the killers do it on behalf of the majority of good people over there,and its by continuing to think that way it will make peace even more assured.

All the best mate

Rob

 

[Molloy]

Hey Molloy,

You don't need to apologise mate,it must be awful for you all right now.And i don't think there is a single person on this forum who think the killers do it on behalf of the majority of good people over there,and its by continuing to think that way it will make peace even more assured.

All the best mate

Rob

Cheers, mate. It just infuriates me beyond belief that there are still people floating around here in Ireland that feel they can dictate their own agenda through the application of sheer brutality.

When all's said and done, they have every bit as much contempt for the legitimate institutions of my country as they do for yours, and they'd have no less compunction about attacking them if they felt it neccessary.

Here's hoping all this ends very soon.

Molloy.

 

[Shannon Reuss]

Although this tragedy does fall under 'current events' it is difficult to discuss without politics entering the conversation and it has understandably upset several of our members closer to the situation.

Discussing it here has caused further distress to some of our members so in respect to them, the less said about this senseless violence the better.

Thank you all for your understanding and empathy toward our fellow members dealing with this issue right now.

 

[theBaron]

Hi, Shannon, I just wanted to clarify, especially since mine was one of the posts deleted. As a Catholic myself, I wanted to provide a little balance to the idea that every IRA man is a practicing and devout son of the Church. I rather think that many of them are not.

But, I signed the rules, too, like everyone else, and I understand completely if that is not really for the forum's consumption.

 

[Scott]

From a History of the First Rhode Island Detached Militia...... The first had two Chaplains.

"...Reverend Augustus Woodbury noted how good manners overcame religious differences. Father Quinn was conversing with a New York chaplain who wondered how he got along “with that Unitarian?” (Woodbury) Quinn set him straight. “I have yet to learn, Sir, that religious differences are to be allowed to interrupt that intercourse which is becoming to scholars and gentlemen!.."

 

[The General]

It was good to see on the news tonight the pictures coming out of Northern Ireland and the Republic of Ireland.

It made me feel that people power can win out over the misguided ideals of both Republican and Loyalist groups.

Thousands and thousands of people, Catholics and Protestants standing shoulder to shoulder at combined church services, memorials and public rallies in the name of peace.

I hope that someday the future generations of Ireland will only know of these matters from history books.

Cheers Pete.

 

[Rob]

It was good to see on the news tonight the pictures coming out of Northern Ireland and the Republic of Ireland.

It made me feel that people power can win out over the misguided ideals of both Republican and Loyalist groups.

Thousands and thousands of people, Catholics and Protestants standing shoulder to shoulder at combined church services, memorials and public rallies in the name of peace.

I hope that someday the future generations of Ireland will only know of these matters from history books.

Cheers Pete.

Well said indeed.

Rob

 

[Tony Neville]

Guys

I could say a lot here but i wont! not the time the place or the correct media.

All i will say is that these idiots have nothing to do with any religion and as the general pointed out the people of Ireland (North, South, East and West) and all faiths and backgrounds, showed this last night when they all stood together.

i hope they catch these mindless morons! scum

Tony

 

[Spitfrnd]

Although this tragedy does fall under 'current events' it is difficult to discuss without politics entering the conversation and it has understandably upset several of our members closer to the situation.

Discussing it here has caused further distress to some of our members so in respect to them, the less said about this senseless violence the better.

Thank you all for your understanding and empathy toward our fellow members dealing with this issue right now.

I have every understanding and empathy for those members and I humbly suggest that my post, as well as several others deleted did nothing more than reflect that. With all due respect Shannon, I think your removals of these posts set a new standard of PC overreaction. If criticizing civil violence and offering sympathy for those injured by it is unacceptable, what I wonder is? To me, it is inconceivable that any member would be caused more distress by such discussion here given than they are exposed every minute to far worse from the international media. I would only request you exercise the same understanding and empathy in deciding what to remove in the future.

 

[Rob]

Speaking for myself only you understand i really thought that on the day we'd lost two young men from our services we did not need to read the lyrics of an IRA song.I just didn't want to see it here on our forum.I fully accept Mike had no intention of causing offence and to his great credit accepted my request for which i am very grateful.I have my reasons why this or any IRA song is offensive, suffice to say its just not needed here on the forum.I think Shannon understood this and i thank her for it.

Rob

 

[Spitfrnd]

I can fully appreciate your point Rob. Just to clarify though, there were several posts, mine included, that were not in that category. It's a baby and bathwater thing. All the best mate.

 

[1879fanatic]

Spitfrnd,
I agree it is a baby and bathwater situation, and I dirtied the tub to the point it needed to be emptied...My fault entirely. I was intending to show the folly, hypocrisy, irrelevance and nonsensical ramblings of the later nationalists through their own lyrics. Of course we have older RUC, loyalist and The Queen's regiments lyrics just as awful, It simply was not my intention to offend anyone, an I apologize to you and Brad for getting "dirty".
Mike

 

[theBaron]

Spitfrnd,
I agree it is a baby and bathwater situation, and I dirtied the tub to the point it needed to be emptied...My fault entirely. I was intending to show the folly, hypocrisy, irrelevance and nonsensical ramblings of the later nationalists through their own lyrics. Of course we have older RUC, loyalist and The Queen's regiments lyrics just as awful, It simply was not my intention to offend anyone, an I apologize to you and Brad for getting "dirty".
Mike

Hi, Mike, if you meant me, I didn't even see it, and even if I had, it's OK, you're a good Joe and entitled to your opinion, and I wouldn't hold it against you. We right-wing fanatics of the Upper Delaware Basin have to stick together, you know! If you ever come to Bethlehem, the beer garden is open!

 

[1879fanatic]

Brad,
Thanks... I meant you and Spitfrnd getting thrown out as bathwater! Thanks for the invite, its a matter of time
Mike

 

[kilted vampire]

As an Irish born Catholic I must say I am saddened to hear of the death of 2 British soldiers and a policemen in Northern Ireland.

As much as I wish Britain had never taken a foot hole in the north of Ireland, I cannot condone the actions of fellow Catholics hell-bent on derailing the peace process.

My heart goes out to the young men who lost their lives.

Hopefully their killers will be brought to justice and that the lasting peace will prevail.

Well said General Sgt. sir. I was suprised to hear it had happened having enjoyed a relatively quiet peace. This is just pointless. They were doing so well there, afteralmost 800 years. More good young men will pay for the follies of their forebears. That is wrong IMHO

 

[1879fanatic]

Two off-duty Royal Army soldiers receiving a pizza to share with mates?? And a 5-O providing back-up on a vandalism call?? Innocents in the troubles. And should be honored as heroes in the quest for final peace in Ulster.
Mike

 

[theBaron]

Brad,
Thanks... I meant you and Spitfrnd getting thrown out as bathwater! Thanks for the invite, its a matter of time
Mike

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