Unknown figure identification- help? (1 Viewer)

[Hazebrouck]

This is a figure I purchased a while back that i have stripped for a re-paint.

I have no idea what manufacturer or unit?

He is a 54mm figure and I think American War of Iindependence.

Can anyone identify him?

Thanks Scott

 

[Hazebrouck]

Any ideas about the headgear/helmet the figure has? Prussian?

I'm lost on this one.

Scott

 

[theBaron]

That is a Hannoverian light dragoon by New Hope Design. It's from the Men at Arms series, based on the Osprey series of the same name.

I think it's kitted as a trooper of the 9th Queen's Light Dragoons in 1792, because that matches the illustration on which the figure is based, plate B/2 in MAA 206, "The Hannoverian Army of the Napoleonic Wars". However, because the uniform details are so similar, it can be painted as a trooper of the regiment in the uniform at the time it was raised, 1763, or also, as a trooper of the Prince of Wales' Light Dragoons of the same periods.

When raised, they wore red coats with blue facings, which were later changed for blue coats with red facings. The Queen's LD had yellow lace, gold for officers, while the Prince of Wales' LD had white lace, silver for officers. They wore a "jacked cap", similar to the caps worn by British light dragoon regiments raised at the same time. It's basically a jockey cap, with a front flap replacing the peak, and a crest with plume. The flap carries the running horse of the House of Hannover.

The Queen's LD carried as their color a French standard captured in the Seven Years War from the Rougrave Cuirassiers by Freytag's Jaegers. It consisted of a light red field with a gold, rayed sun, with a banner across the upper part of the sun with the French royal motto, "Nec Pluribus Impar".

The regiments were also known by their German names, "Leichte-Dragoner 'Koenigin' " and "Leichte-Dragoner 'Prinz von Wallis' " (Wallis is an old German name for Wales) or Leichte-Dragoner 'Kronprinz' " (the Prince of Wales being the British Crown Prince).

Hope that helps, prost!
Brad

 

[theBaron]

I should add that this figure is missing the standard New Hope base, which is hexagonal and marked underneath with NHD's logo and name. Since it's a kit, though, it may have changed hands several times, and who knows what happened to the base. He's also missing his carbine, which should be attached at his right hip, where the hanging clip is cast on the carbine belt.

This figure is a good candidate for stripping and repainting.

Prost!
Brad

 

[Hazebrouck]

This figure is a good candidate for stripping and repainting.

Thanks for the identification and detailed reply Brad.

The images are as I purchased the figure. I have since stripped the paint from it and fabricated a round steel base to which he has been pinned. Agreed, he should paint up well!

Now to find a carbine for him.

Thanks,

Scott

 

[Hazebrouck]

This little figure is coming along well and thought Ii might show him. I have painted him as per Prince of Wales Light Dragoons. Hope I have the colours right.

Have taken a bit of liberty with the skull and cross-bones on the helmet, but can paint over it!

Now to tidy up his eyes a bit and a few edges, then a few coats of gloss.

I'm pretty amateur at painting but like putting some life into these older figures.

Scott

 

[trooper]

Just found this thread. The uniform is, unfortunately, incorrect for the 12th (Prince of Wales's) Light Dragoons. It should be as the attached. The regiment did indeed wear blue at a later date but that uniform was totally different being the shell jacket worn with the Tarleton helmet. Trooper

 

[trooper]

Rereading the previous posts it occurs to me that I have misinterpreted your intentions and that you are reproducing the Hannoverian 9th Dragoons, and not the British. Image of the Hannover 9th Dragoons attached. Mainly a uestion of repainting the lace yellow and putting the Horse of Hannover on the helmet. Trooper

 

[Hazebrouck]

Rereading the previous posts it occurs to me that I have misinterpreted your intentions and that you are reproducing the Hannoverian 9th Dragoons, and not the British. Image of the Hannover 9th Dragoons attached. Mainly a uestion of repainting the lace yellow and putting the Horse of Hannover on the helmet. Trooper

Thanks Trooper.

I was actually painting him as per Prince of Wales Dragoons as described by Brad in his original reply. But having had a good look at the image you have supplied I have changed the facings to yellow and the helmet insignia as shown.

I also note the carbine in the image.

Can I ask where the print is from as I have no references to AWI uniforms and are looking to purchase some?

Scott

 

[trooper]

The print of the Hanoverian 9th dragoons is from "the Hanoverian Army of the Napoleonic Wars" by Peter Hofschroer and is no 206 in the Osprey Men at Arms series. Suggest you look at their website for further titles. One further point, in order to avoid confusion, you mention changing the FACINGS to yellow. Facings are the colours of the collar, cuffs and lapels, the braiding on them is referred to as "lace". Trooper

 

[theBaron]

Trooper is correct. The ambiguity comes from the fact that the British and the Hannoverian armies both had regiments named for the Prince of Wales. This particular figure and my references are for the Hannoverian regiment. In English, of course, we'd say "Prince of Wales", but in Hannover, it would have been "Prinz von Walis" or even "Kronprinz", since the Prince of Wales is, strictly speaking, the crown prince of the UK.

Trooper is correct on the helmet badge, too, it's the running horse of Hannover, the ancient symbol of the Saxons (which they took with them to Britain, by the way, when they migrated from the Continent). The helmet fittings would match the button color.

Coming along nicely!

Prost!
Brad

 

[Hazebrouck]

Thanks for the help with this one Brad and Trooper.

I'm pretty pleased with the result. Some areas I can improve upon, namely handpainting the horse of Hanover. Overall a good save!

Some old Rose Miniatures awaiting attention next!.

Scott

 

[trooper]

Check the turnbacks, Scott, they should be white. Trooper

 

[Hazebrouck]

Check the turnbacks, Scott, they should be white. Trooper

Oops! I see what you mean looking at the illustration closely.

Scott.