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Hey, everyone. I'm new to this forum but not new to collecting K&C. Does anyone know if there is a website or information on finding out values for specific sets?
 
There is no website that I am aware of that shows actual current value of older sets of K & C.

Toy Soldiers USA out of Florida has a section on his site where he lists just about every K & C set ever made and the retail price it sold at when it was made, that is a good guide to see what the older items cost back in the day.

As far as current value, no real answer to that question............
 
It's hard to put a value on them as the prices go up and down all the time, it's just what someone is willing to pay to obtain a certain piece. I've seen sets fetch £200 and 12 months later I picked same set up for £80. Your better just keeping an eye on ebay and following the market.
 
Whatever someone will give you, and being in the right place at the right time. They aren't gold. Unless you paid retail for them expect to take a lose.
 
I keep an eye on what is happening at eBay and what collectors on this forum will pay/offer them for sale. That gives me a ballpark, but not anything definite.
 
I think the K&C market similar to other TS companies is a little soft right now. ie buyer's market. Not sure if its the economy, trimming core collections or outright sales to generate cash... I have found some great deals this summer. I think the starting point is original value but I believe the more rare sets have more than kept their premium.


Just another ebay rant.....Now saying that there are some ridicious prices on ebay today which is even funnier since you can find much cheaper prices on the same item on the same ebay site if you spend anytime researching. The ebay rule change of free listings for higher commissions after sale are basically allowing people to constantly relist without any urgency to reprice if an item does not sell...
 
I believe the market is soft because there is so much unsold reasonably current product out there, that has been overproduced since the good old days. Also Ebay has become too expensive to sell on, as well as the higher retail prices for new stuff which reduces the profit margins for those internet dealers still in the business. And the speculators:mad: are gone, where individuals and dealers used to buy 10 to 20 of an item for $100, which sold out the original runs of an item, keeping the releases from the general public:(. This created a false demand for inventory totally controlled by a few, driving up excessive profits for those gaming the old system:mad:...Michael
 
As George said, there is no such website. I used to keep a list but it's several years out of date. The older items will still do as well although not as well they used to do. With the newer items you'll be fortunate to recover near to your purchase price but then of course there are ebay and paypal fees so you are selling at a loss. Frankly, K & C make too much product right now to expect a good return.
 
Hi Guys,

Far be it from me, a humble “sergeant”, to disagree with a “four-star general” however I do see things slightly differently…

Frankly, I don’t think K&C do “make too much product” for the majority of our collectors around the world. After all different collectors in different markets collect different series.

This past weekend I spent in Singapore listening and talking about some terrific ideas and suggestions that would, and in some cases, meet the requests and requirements of guys in that part of the world.

This coming Sunday I’ll be going to Brisbane…Sydney…and Melbourne and for another 10 days or so I’ll hear other wishes and “must-haves” from a large and growing collector base down under.

The fact is very few collectors collect everything. Depending on their particular historical interests and, of course, their finances. They collect what they like…when they like. One of the things I hear most often from collectors is their appreciation of the scope and variety of what K&C produces and the regularity of our monthly releases.

As for other comments about “Speculators” and “Over Production” …I do believe the former have gone the way of the dinosaur…and that’s no bad thing! I’ve always said, from day one, “buy what you like and you’ll never be disappointed!” Buying to make a “killing” at some later unspecified date is nothing to do with the joy and fun of collecting. If some on the Forum have made a few extra bucks on an older or rarer piece…”Well done! ” You can use that money as you will…that’s capitalism and free enterprise.

As for “Over-Production” …who decides if any particular item has been over-produced? The collector…the dealer…or the manufacturer? Who has the sales data from around the world? This little hobby of ours is a very niche hobby…For the most part we deal and manufacture in the hundreds…not the thousands. So talk of “over production” is misplaced…In over 30 years in this hobby and business I could count on the fingers of one hand the items, in K&C’s case any way, that I have felt have been “over-produced” . I have, unfortunately, lost count of the number of items that have been “under-produced”!!!

By and large we get most of the numbers of products made (and products sold) just about equal. If we didn’t we would have been out of business a long, long time ago.

Anyway, thanks for your thoughts, comments and statements…always makes for interesting reading.

Happy collecting!

Andy C.​
 
With reference to the sturm und drang of the so called lowly sergeant (who just happens to own a company and a dealership in the US and who knows what else; I would like to be such a lowly person :rolleyes2:), in the secondary market, where the laws of supply and demand work, there is a glut. Perhaps I should have conditioned my post to the secondary market.

At at any rate, certain items sell at a loss and older retired items do not bring what they used to, unfortunately. I should know as I've been trying both to reduce the size of my collection and make space for JJD WW I. As an example, and there are many, you can't give away EA 43, which is a fine piece, unless you offer significant price reductions; Spartan71 has had to lower the price of his that he's offering on the Forum from $199 to $150.
 
jazzeum said:
with reference to the sturm und drang of the so called lowly sergeant (who just happens to own a company and a dealership in the us and who knows what else; i would like to be such a lowly person :rolleyes2:), in the secondary market, where the laws of supply and demand work, there is a glut. Perhaps i should have conditioned my post to the secondary market.

At at any rate, certain items sell at a loss and older retired items do not bring what they used to, unfortunately. I should know as i've been trying both to reduce the size of my collection and make space for jjd ww i. As an example, and there are many, you can't give away ea 43, which is a fine piece, unless you offer significant price reductions; spartan71 has had to lower the price of his that he's offering on the forum from $199 to $150.
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i do not think you can blame kc for overproduction. They do a great job offering us lots of variety. I think you can blame the current softness in the toy soldier market in the us on our current politacal regime. As far as kc goes, great job andy, i used to be one of those guys that bought everything but with so much offered i can only get what i really like. Space is a problem too.
 
Hmmm, I think the market is currently swamped, producers producing too much good stuff. Don't buy as an investment, buy what you want to collect.

IMO, you're more likely to sell figures than vehicles.

Prices are going up all the time (not a criticism, just a fact), the number of releases are also going up all the time, but I don't think the number of buyers is increasing at the same rate. Just an observation from me. I used to buy all the new releases, but I just can't keep up anymore.

Space is also an issue. Personally I think a 'new wave' of buyers have come in in the last 6-8 years, and they only have so much space, until another 'new wave' materialises, I think we're stuck with the current situation, like it or not.

Pete
 
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chalklands said:
Hmmm, I think the market is currently swamped, producers producing too much good stuff. Don't buy as an investment, buy what you want to collect.

IMO, you're more likely to sell figures than vehicles.

Prices are going up all the time (not a criticism, just a fact), the number of releases are also going up all the time, but I don't think the number of buyers is increasing at the same rate. Just an observation from me. I used to buy all the new releases, but I just can't keep up anymore.

Space is also an issue. Personally I think a 'new wave' of buyers have come in in the last 6-8 years, and they only have so much space, until another 'new wave' materialises, I think we're stuck with the current situation, like it or not.

Pete
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I should also say, I've personally come to the stage where I need to sell in order to buy, over the last six months I've had to bite the bullet and sell at a loss in order to generate income for new releases.
 
chalklands said:
I should also say, I've personally come to the stage where I need to sell in order to buy, over the last six months I've had to bite the bullet and sell at a loss in order to generate income for new releases.
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I should also add, that another factor has been the increase in overseas shipping costs over the last year or so, which makes sending overseas prohibitive for most foreign buyers. This limits the market you can realistically sell to.
 
My opinion is that the dramatic increase in prices is driving people out of the hobby in droves. Just look at how many "i'm selling and getting out of the hobby" threads that have been posted lately in the classified section. Plus speaking from personnel experience the rising prices have severely limiting the number of figures I buy, who I buy from, and what ranges I now buy. I have been collecting for many years, and I am buying less then ever. I'm basically down to one manufacturer with the initials WB, and only one of their ranges ACW. My days of collecting almost every ACW, AWI, and WWII figure from all of the majors is over. I find that I am actually enjoying the hobby more by just concentrating on this narrow group of releases. I think I may have actually been a toy soldier hoarder minus the garbage, insects, and rodents {eek3} Plus as I have stated before, anyone who is buying toy soldiers (recently issued figures) as an investment is in for a very rough ride.
 
In France the importer stopped the distribution then closed his shop. Other retailers slow down their purchases. Produced too expensive, less sale, too many references. The stock is expensive and is badly sold. The crisis settles down .NO show, no shop, no exhibition so not of new customers. It is the vicious but normal cycle of a product arrived at saturation.
 
I hate to be Captain Obvious, but something is only worth what people are willing to pay for it. It doesn't matter whether it is K&C or fine art or antiques. To that end the fluctuation in the marketplace is both unpredictable and imprecise.
 
Just through my experience, through selling some of my collection. King & Country (And I hate jumping through another Manufacturer, but the opinion needs to be shared) First Legion, attracts people to buy than the other Manufacturer (never had the opportunity to get any Honor Bound Products). For example I had a W. Britain Union civil war Command set 2 piece, that I was selling that the price was getting low, that the set priced at $69.00 is not selling at $45.00. I had an offer of $25.00 shipped, and no higher as he said, which was with me shipping it, I would make $17.00. Which would have been ridiculous. So two choices for me store it or make it a target at the local Shooting range, it did not survive the .308. I put into it. And I sold Collectors Showcase Tanks, Figarti pieces, that was anywhere from $30.00 to $85.00 less than What I paid for it. So what I am trying to say is K&C and First Legion held the value more better than any other manufacturer,. So Buy King & Country or First Legion products, or a third choice just look at pictures, if you think the products are not worth the price. Sorry in advance. If I offend anyone. Thank you.
 
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