Thanks heaps for that Larry...Looks like a great site...I will check it out more thoroughly later....I got the pics..very colorful....like the way the Elephant is fitted out....saves a lot of work on detail (on the elephant,,not the troop-ies).....I will be starting a thingo on how to make an 2D elephant.. on how to do Dio's soon....I will post the first stage in an hour or so......I was only going to do the Elephant....just a quick demo...but now I have those pics..I can see a lot of work coming up,,,,,,thanks again,,,,,,,Tom