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With the scheduled demise of the BOS line in the next few months, it got me to thinking about a small line from the same era that JJ could take on.

Bushy Run strikes me as similar to the Monongahela battle in many respects, but with a different outcome. Nice variety of figures. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bushy_Run_Battlefield

Fort Necessity would provide George Washington, Indians, French. Both could be about the same size as the BOS line.

Bushy Run painting:

 

[mk26gmls]

With the scheduled demise of the BOS line in the next few months, it got me to thinking about a small line from the same era that JJ could take on.

Bushy Run strikes me as similar to the Monongahela battle in many respects, but with a different outcome. Nice variety of figures. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bushy_Run_Battlefield

Fort Necessity would provide George Washington, Indians, French. Both could be about the same size as the BOS line.
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I like your ideas on this Combat. I like anything with George Washington in it.

Bushy Run is a great suggestion too. Here is a pick I have always liked of that battle.

 

[PolarBear]

With the scheduled demise of the BOS line in the next few months, it got me to thinking about a small line from the same era that JJ could take on.

Bushy Run strikes me as similar to the Monongahela battle in many respects, but with a different outcome. Nice variety of figures. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bushy_Run_Battlefield

Fort Necessity would provide George Washington, Indians, French. Both could be about the same size as the BOS line.

Bushy Run painting:

A few BOS sets may extend into the early months of 2010 according to John.

 

[lancer]

I like your ideas on this Combat. I like anything with George Washington in it.

Bushy Run is a great suggestion too. Here is a pick I have always liked of that battle.

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This is the Troiani limited edition print. I have it on my wall and it is a great picture. His use of light is fantastic. -- lancer

 

[mikemiller1955]

Thank you Doug.........

That's a good idea.

I always thought you had your heart set on Ticonderoga and I always felt if were his next project, it would be such a big series.

Bushy Run was a kind of obscure but interesting engagement that resolved the breaking of the Indian resistance in Ohio.

The Highlander forces involved would look really good, and would be something different for me.

I never tried to collect Quebec, so I never bought the 78th, Fraser's Highlanders.

I can already see the 77th, 42nd and 60th, a flour redoubt, Colenel Bouquet and a combined alligience of four Indian nations.

You're right, with equal forces of 400 each, it wouldn't be an overwhelming series.

Great suggestion.

Thank you.

 

[Jagdpanther]

I agree it would be a nice series. I always liked the battle of Bushy Run.

 

[Fraxinus]

Bushy Run sounds very plausible because of the size of the battle and many of the previous releases will work --- the number of new releases would not have to be that large.

Raid at Saint Francis could end relatively soon (after a Roger release) or it could go on and on ....

If a new line, wild guess --- British-Afghan Wars - 18th Century!! Can't imagine the Zulu War enthusiasts passing up on that series.

Howeve, we still need a BoM Grenadier Officer, so I am hoping for at least 1 more BoM release.

 

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Here is another summary of the Bushy Run battle relating to the Griffing painting:

In May 1763, Pontiac, a hitherto unknown Ottawa chief, launched an all-out war for Native American independence from the British. In short order, Pontiac's forces destroyed eight British forts and countless settlements. By June, Fort Pitt, which in addition to its 125 man military garrison, housed over 600 frontier refugees, was also under siege. A 500 man force, consisting of elements of the 42nd and 77th Highland Regiments and some Royal Americans, under command of Col. Henry Bouquet, assembled in Carlisle, PA and departed on July 18 to relieve Fort Pitt.

During the afternoon of August 5, at Chestnut Ridge, one mile short of Bushy Run Station, where it was to camp for the night, Bouquet's forces were attacked by the Indians. Artist Robert Griffing depicts the Highlanders immediately charging what they believe to be no more than a small ambush, before falling back into a defensive perimeter as the size of the opposing force becomes apparent. Bouquet constructed a makeshift fort using the bags of flour carried by the 250 pack horses in his column, but with close to 70 officers and men dead or wounded, no water, and unable to abandon his pack animals, the situation appeared bleak.

However, over the night of August 5-6, Bouquet devised a plan in which the following day, by drawing the Indians into what they believed was a collapsing perimeter, Bouquet was able to flank the Indians, register the first victory of British/American forces over the Indians in forest warfare, and in the process turn the tide in Pontiac's war. Bouquet's relief column reached Fort Pitt four days later.

 

[mikemiller1955]

Bushy Run sounds very plausible because of the size of the battle and many of the previous releases will work --- the number of new releases would not have to be that large.

Raid at Saint Francis could end relatively soon (after a Roger release) or it could go on and on ....

If a new line, wild guess --- British-Afghan Wars - 18th Century!! Can't imagine the Zulu War enthusiasts passing up on that series.

Howeve, we still need a BoM Grenadier Officer, so I am hoping for at least 1 more BoM release.

Ken, I can't see St. Francis ending anytime soon, in my opinion. I believe John will be releasing a lot more Abenakis and Rangers in the future. I don't think he can really stop on it now. I would like to see some of the wooden structures that the village of St. Francis Indians lived in. I think this series will go on for a long time, having only just begun.

I think there is a tremendous interest for, and also room for more Monongahela Brits......the 48th.......and John seems always inclined to satisfy his regular customers, so that is a very realistic probability.

In our last email, he was asking if I had any special desires for a new series release and while I have asked for several figures on existing sets (Robert Rogers, both for St. Francis and SS's, bagpipers, a Bonnie Prince Charlie and a Cumberland for Jacobites, captives or hostages from raided villages for St. Francis being hauled off by Abenakis...Sussanah Johnson and children)...I did not suggest anything for a new series except some small skirmishes to look at, like Signal Hill.

I find Doug's idea of Bushy Run much more appealing now though.

After reading Doug's suggestion on Bushy Run, I forwarded him this link and hope he will consider it as a future series.

This effectively put down Pontiac's Rebellion on the Ohio River, so it would be of large historical value.

John does drop some hints....but he usually asks me not to "spill the beans", he is sometimes a little secretive about upcoming releases and then sometime very candid about them.

I know he once told me he usually spends 2 years research on a topic before he attempts sculpting. I just figured if he is asking opinions for a new series now...........then he is undecided.........so I would expect a continuation of existing series.....Culloden Moor, 1812, St. Francis mostly, then some B of M, some Snow Shoes and a little more Quebec.

 

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I had a chance to visit the Bushy Run Battlefield this weekend. Interestingly the guide was familiar with the Treefrog forum. A great place to visit if you can find it - not many signs to get you there.

One interesting note is that the state of PA has, in its infinite wisdom, proposed selling the battlefield to save money! It is unclear to whom or for what purpose. Thankfully some individuals are trying to preserve the field. The loss of historical locations, such as the battle on snowshoes (now a country club) and Monongahela (now an industrial complex), make it all the more unfortunate if this goes to some private company.

More information at: www.savebushyrun.org

 

[mikemiller1955]

I had a chance to visit the Bushy Run Battlefield this weekend. Interestingly the guide was familiar with the Treefrog forum. A great place to visit if you can find it - not many signs to get you there.

One interesting note is that the state of PA has, in its infinite wisdom, proposed selling the battlefield to save money! It is unclear to whom or for what purpose. Thankfully some individuals are trying to preserve the field. The loss of historical locations, such as the battle on snowshoes (now a country club) and Monongahela (now an industrial complex), make it all the more unfortunate if this goes to some private company.

More information at: www.savebushyrun.org

I can see it now.............Bushy Run Mall.

 

[Fraxinus]

As it regards Bushy Run, I believe that some of the same British Units were heavily defeated by the French and Indians as they approached Fort Duquesne on September 14, 1758 ----- almost a mini--BoM. The commanding officer Major James Grant of the 77th Highlanders was captured by the French. From memory, the British Force was about 800 men -- 77th, 60th and colonials.

So I am thinking that if you did the 77th Highlanders, you might get both a FIW battle (Grant) and Bushy Run (Pontiac'sRebllion). Plus you can push those Highlanders into the Carolinas for the Cherokee and new Indian Figures.

Some brief research while the edit window was still open.

From: http://musketsofthecrown.homestead.com/77th.html

Later the 77th was brought north to Philadelphia to participate in the Forbes campaign of 1758. It helped build a military road, complete with supporting forts, across the entire colony of Pennsylvania. The soldiers of the 77th took part in a surprise attack on Fort Duquesne, a key French post at the site of modern Pittsburgh. They also participated in the capture of Fort Ticonderoga on Lake Champlain in 1759. Montgomery's Highlanders battled Cherokee Indians in the Carolinas in 1760, fought in the Caribbean and took Havana from the Spanish in 1762. The regiment's last campaign was with Colonel Henry Bouquet, when it helped defeat the Ottawa Chief Pontiac's huge Indian forces in western Pennsylvania at Bushy Run.


P.S. The suprise attack on Fort Duquesne is Grants Defeat.