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Here's a quote from the book about it:

In 1997, again ironically in the waning months of K&C warbird production, Andy released his one mass produced aircraft related building, an RAF Nissen/Quonset Hut. This wood and papier mache 3-D building used corrugated cardboard to simulate the corrugated tin construction of these buildings. There were three windows extending out from the barrel vault shaped building, with a front door opening onto a stone sidewalk and papier mache simulated grass surrounding the remainder of the building. This item, designated HKB13, retailed for $128.
 
OK Louis...this is without causing problems between you and I.... this was made in 1997...it retailed for $128....it was retired and now it sold for 7 hundred and something....why is it that some of the first Napoleonics released which have been retired are looked down upon if they increase in value....what I would suggest to anyone is call your local dealers...they most likely have these in stock if they do you will most likely get them at their original prices....I know this is extreme but I'm only trying to make my point....they were only made 8 years ago...not 20....


WELLINGTON
 
Wellington,

I have no idea. I have never sold a K&C item. I can tell you that K&C glossy Napoleonics produced in 1994-95 sell for a hefty premium in the secondary market, when you can find them. Perhaps it is a question of demand versus scarcity value. Not a lot of those Quonset Huts were produced or sold (I bought mine at the original retail price from K&C, UK in 1999, when I first got heavily into the Warbirds). With the early K&C stuff, WWII and otherwise, Andy rarely made more than 200 sets of figures, and way less than 50 of vehicles or buildings on average, with the planes being produced usually in numbers less than 10 (except for a few very popular planes, like the Spitfire, ME109, of P40). As far as I know, present production Napoleonics are produced in numbers exceeding 1,000 of each. So the early figures, including the WWII and Napoleonic ranges, were produced in very limited numbers, and are sought after by many newer collectors who have to pay a premium to get them (especially on ebay, where 5 or 6 collectors after an item can drive the price into the stratusphere), while the Napoleonics are far more readily available, and, due to the number produced, are still available from many dealers even after they are retired. That's my take.
 
I agree with you and I expected you to defend that particular piece...you are most certainly not going to run around and say its still worth what you paid otherwise you are destroying the future value of your collection....with modern Naps 2 things ...first off they are made in greater numbers thats fine but.... you need multiples to make a display unlike tanks and sheds....If I was to start collecting today I would find that the majority of the Matte figures were retired and it would be difficult to find them all not to mention the cost of hunting down each figure the shipping for each etc....just wait 5 more years from now they will be that much harder to find...these are the FIRST of the matte series as well which will make them important not to mention that some of the figures are next to impossible to find..not that they are not out there noone wants to sell them...its all supply and demand cut off the supply and the demand becomes greater......I am not looking for a fight...but from here on out now that I have a collection that is starting to be more rare and harder to find...I will be promoting it and if anyone wants my retired figures not that they are for sale you will have to pay for them and invest alot of money as I once did..

WELLINGTON
 
Point well taken about the need for multiples . . . i hadn't really thought about that as I do not collect this period. One thing I hadn't mentioned about the price of Napoleonics, it that unless you consider the War of 1812 more related to the Battle of Waterloo than I do, the United States did not participate, so there may not be as much American interest in the period. However, with the dollar being pretty much worthless at the momment, the european collectors who presumably have the greater interest in this period may be ready to drive the price up. I hope your collection substantially increases in value, and I hope you never have to sell it.;):D
 
That is the beauty of it all ...most collectors. in the US collect WW2...AND THATS GOOD....it makes my range that much more rare...less made, less people bought and now I have muliples and others don't....and you are very right the War of 1812 was VERY much related to the Napoleonic wars and was a birth of 2 Nations...very important time in both Canadas and the USA history...its local and it's very tecnical.....it has DEPTH...I love the history of the war of 1812....I can taste it.....Just wait when the 1812 figures from JJ come out and some people become a little more educated on why the things are the way they are here in the west and the link to Europe and the fighting in the west...not only that I think that the Indians Nations were HEROES as well and would be pround and fight beside their Nations as well on either side...

I would say that if the first matte figures were of poor quality then there might be a problem but K&C has been consistent the whole time...

WELLINGTON
 
Wow
Guys do pay some hefty prices for stuff on e bay.
Both this autcion plus those that Wellington listed had some pretty impressive final prices. I don't have that RAF hut but I do have some K and C glossy Napoleoincs and Black Watch etc. I bought them back in 1997. I suppose I was just lucky that I bought them when they came out. I don't generally buy things on e bay as I just accept the fact that I missed a certain item and I move on. I know that new and better stuff is inevitably round the corner so I just buy new stuff. I have the KGL but no multiples. maybe I should buy some more Coldstream Gaurd in multiples, I don't know. It does seem to be a bit of a hit and a miss as to what is going to rocket up in price though. It seems a lot of people buy multiples of SL editions as this is a merker of impending rarity. However it seems that German stuff is always the more sought after. I am glad the Napoleonics are doing so well. I can assure everyone that I do not think Napoleoincs are less collectible than WWII. I do however just confine myself to one battle that is Waterloo, similalry in my ACW stuff I just collect Gettysburg compatible figures.
Regards
Damian
 
Damian,

On some of the older stuff, it's hard to figure out sometimes. For example, a couple of years ago, I purchased a glossy Napoleonic for about $20. However, a year later, a set of Napoleonics went for over $300. Same thing with the Zulus. I garnered one a few months back for about $25 but have also seen some crazy auctions. So, for the non WW II older items (not items retired in the last two or three years), it's sometimes hard to get a handle on what an item will go for.
 
Thanks Brad
I wouldn't really want to sell any of my figures but it is interesting to have an idea. I think the WWII stuff seems to rocket up in price the most. Wellington is glad that it seems as if the same is happening to Napoleonic stuff now. I am happy about that as well. When I look at that first Tiger (ploystone version) that K and C did , I think it was a Witman Tiger and I compare it to the current ones there is no comparison. Yet I suppose guys who go after it are completist and just want to own an early K and C model. I do think the original 88 gun holds it's own with the more recent incarnations of that model. Anyway I just chug along buying new stuff as it comes out. I don't begrudge the e bayers or think anything less of them I can asure you it is just not for me.
Regards
Damian
 
There's a general rule in antiques and collectibles, and it applies to our area, too. For any item being sold in a secondary market, its value is whatever the seller and buyer agree to at the time. Another rule which applies is that for the first 30 years of an object's life, its value is purely speculative. That rule comes from Harry Rinker, who is an expert on collectibles, and has written price guides and books on the subject, a regular column, and was the host of "The Collector Inspector" on HGTV. (He's a local boy)

Those are generalizations, to be sure, and as such, there will be exceptions. But in my experience, I've found both rules to be valid. So when I see an item that I think is overpriced, based on what I have seen elsewhere, I have to ask myself whether it's worth it, to me, or if the buyer is not as well-educated about the item. Of course, there's a psychological element, too, and some guys just have to have the item, not matter what.

Just my own observations.

Prosit!
Brad
 
theBaron said:
There's a general rule in antiques and collectibles, and it applies to our area, too. For any item being sold in a secondary market, its value is whatever the seller and buyer agree to at the time. Another rule which applies is that for the first 30 years of an object's life, its value is purely speculative. That rule comes from Harry Rinker, who is an expert on collectibles, and has written price guides and books on the subject, a regular column, and was the host of "The Collector Inspector" on HGTV. (He's a local boy)

Those are generalizations, to be sure, and as such, there will be exceptions. But in my experience, I've found both rules to be valid. So when I see an item that I think is overpriced, based on what I have seen elsewhere, I have to ask myself whether it's worth it, to me, or if the buyer is not as well-educated about the item. Of course, there's a psychological element, too, and some guys just have to have the item, not matter what.

Just my own observations.

Prosit!
Brad
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I would agree with what you have said. I think with modern toy soldiers provided there is a demand then you will expect to regain your money if not increase it. I say this because I presume all the K and C figures or Britains or HB figures are not being played with and damaged by having young boys throw stones or marbles at them etc. This means that all 1250 K and C Winter tIgers out there are still out there. If the market grows then they will be rare realtiv eto demand but if the market dies and everyone loses interest( heaven forbid) then all 1250 Togers will re-emerge form collectiosn onto teh secondary market. With the pre 1966 Britains things are slightly different as the reason these mass produced firgues are rare is because little boys played with them and when they grew up and started being interested in little grils and the like they sometimes threw them away. So they are rare. Hopefully toy soldier collecting will continue to grow and in 30 years time a new generation will be looking back on teh early 2000's as a golden age of toy soldiers.
Regards
Damian
 
Very true!

I always think first whether I like a figure, or kit, and whether I can afford it. If it increases in value, great, but I don't really think about the dollar value of my collection (except to insure it).

Prosit!
Brad
 
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