Who are we? (1 Viewer)

[zblang]

I just grabbed these today. I don't know what they are, just liked them.

What can you tell me about them, figure wise and also history. I don't know a thing about them manufacturally or historically. I took a photo of the bottom. They all have this same "etching" in the bottom, but I don't know if that's a manufacturer's mark, or merely something that was in the mold that came through.
Thanks in advance for any help!
Zach

 

[hotel3alpha]

ZB,

Nice figures bro, but could not tell you who made them.

John from Texas

 

[Warrior]

We need Brad James to chime in here, bet he can ID them...............

 

[ucla1967]

Very nice, but I don't know who made them.

 

[Rediarmor]

Sorry, I can't help either, but I do like them. Are they 54mm? The bases look a little large, but the detail is brilliant.

 

[zblang]

I'll measure them when i get a chance, but they are close in size to tradition figures

 

[jazzeum]

I really like them too. I'm assuming troops of a German state in late 18th to early 19th Century. The detail looks outstanding. You got a good deal.

APB for the Baron :smile2:

 

[johnnybach]

They look to me as if they are meant to represent Grenadier Russian troops of the Pavlosky Regiment, circa 1812. So - Napoleonic.

No idea who actually manufactured them though. jb

 

[zblang]

They look to me as if they are meant to represent Grenadier Russian troops of the Pavlosky Regiment, circa 1812. So - Napoleonic.

No idea who actually manufactured them though. jb

I think we have a winner re: who they are!!!! Thanks!

 

[trooper]

They look to me as if they are meant to represent Grenadier Russian troops of the Pavlosky Regiment, circa 1812. So - Napoleonic.

No idea who actually manufactured them though. jb

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Could well be Russian, Johnny, quite possibly even Pavlovski but definitelly not Napoleonic. uniforms are Seven Years War c.1750s Trooper

 

[DMNamiot]

Russians for sure just am not sure of the maker. I am still digging though so who knows maybe I will get lucky and find them.

DAve

 

[zblang]

I guess we will classify these as unidentifiable orphans from some Russian regiment {sm2}

 

[theBaron]

How the heck did I miss this thread?

I think they are actually Preobrazhenski, but I may be mistaken. They look very similar to the ones I have from Sergei Ilyashenko's Lead Army store. I don't think he carries them anymore.

As to the time period, I think they are supposed to represent the regiment in its uniform's from the brief reign of Tsar Paul I, circa 1796. I bought them, because the uniform was virtually unchanged from that worn in the Seven Years War.

I will look at mine tonight when I get home and post pictures. The set I have includes grenadiers, an officer and a color.

Prost!
Brad

 

[theBaron]

Oh, and as to the maker, I'm afraid I don't know. Sergei didn't make them himself, he just sold them. The boxes are not marked, neither are the figures.

Prost!
Brad

 

[zblang]

thanks brad - when you get a chance - I'd love to see yours!

 

[theBaron]

Re: Who are we?--Solved--Lead Army Preobrazhenski Garde

Hi, all,

I dug these out last night and took photos of the sets that I have. The grenadiers are definitely from the Preobrazhenski regiment, from 1797 (two of my boxes are marked with a handwritten note, in gold marker). Tsar Paul was a devoted admirer of Frederick the Great, and he re-introduced uniforms and drill from the Seven Years War as an homage to the late Prussian king. In doing so, he undid reforms that were implemented under Catherine the Great, and this step backwards was one of the grievances that led to his removal.

Here are the figures. First, the colors:



The figures are nicely sculpted, and finished in a very good gloss finish. The flags are heavy, as you can image, and the ensigns are prone to tip over, even though they're cast with an elongated base.

A squad of grenadiers, with two officers:



and the field music:



This shows how unreliable memory can be--I would have sworn that the fifers were painted as Moors.

Here are two other sets, which I also bought from Sergei, and which I think come from the same manufacturer as the Preobrazhenski Guards. A color party from a line regiment of musketeers:



and a squad of infantry, circa 1740, with a color:



I haven't seen these in Sergei's catalog for many years, now. He focuses on connoisseur figures from the Ancient and Medieval periods, and I keep forgetting to ask him if he can still get these figures.

I hope you enjoy seeing these, prost!
Brad

 

[zblang]

Thanks so much Brad -
Those sure look like my guys. My box also is red with some gold marker on it - I just can't read what it says
Brad saves the day once again!

 

[theBaron]

You're very welcome, Zach! This reminds me to ask Sergei about these sets the next time I see him, and see if he can still get them. I have about a dozen of the grenadiers, and I always had in mind to get enough to display a whole company.

You posted last Saturday, Zach--where did you happen to get your box?

Prost!
Brad

 

[zblang]

I got mine from George (aka Warrior)

 

[theBaron]

Ah, OK, cool, yep, George is a stand-up guy, and a great dealer.

I was curious, because I never thought about how many, or how few, of these sets might be out there.

Prost!
Brad